PSD vs Cummins
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Originally Posted by FordLariat
No, GMC and Chevrolet put together do NOT outsell Ford, Ford sold (as of June this year) 432,969 trucks. GM and Chevy together sold 421,277. That's not more than Ford.
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From: Prince George, B.C.
I am gonna agree that the Manual is a more efficient and reliable trans. than ANY auto. But the way this is going, Sixes are junk because they are smaller and slower than V8s? and I have to say that just because Ford is selling more trucks doesn't make them any better than the rest, if Dodge were selling more I am gonna bet that Ironman and a couple others would be the first ones to say the same thing about them. Just because they have higher sales don't make 'em better. This post seems to be headed to where someone is gonna say that the only reason Dodge's sales are as high as they are is because there are alot of stupid people right? Let me know if i'm wrong but it just seems to be where some of you are headed.
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I'm really wonder where people come up with manual's being more reliable than auto's. My C6 got 200k before it gave up the ghost. All 200k where very hard miles, stop and go and most of the time the truck was loaded. Cost $1100 to rebuild.
How many clutches would I have gone through in the same time. Based on experience at least 3. At $350-$500 per clutch replacement it looks like best case its a draw and worst the manual cost more to maintain.
I guess though if you come from a Dodge background you've probably been burned by an under engineered auto for so long that a manual seems like the only thing you can rely on.
How many clutches would I have gone through in the same time. Based on experience at least 3. At $350-$500 per clutch replacement it looks like best case its a draw and worst the manual cost more to maintain.
I guess though if you come from a Dodge background you've probably been burned by an under engineered auto for so long that a manual seems like the only thing you can rely on.
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I think we are going to find that both the torque shift and allison trannys are going to be every bit as good as the older transmission. Finally someone has built trannys just for trucks and not used car trannys. The old trannys may of been good but they where big car trannys none the less.
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From: Prince George, B.C.
Well, you have a point there I guess but I have to say that no auto can replace a manual trans. I would rather replace the clutch then go and get a new tranny every few years. It is gonna cost us about $1000 for a clutch for our '90 flatdeck. But still better than $2500+ to replace an auto.
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From: Prince George, B.C.
I was just doing some reading and if these upgrades work like they are supposed to I might just have to give on the autos being worse than the manuals. Anyone heard about the upgraded Torqueshift ATS is selling? In awhile they should have a indash controller to adjust line pressure etc. Then it might be worthwhile to get an auto, but I don't really see why these kind of upgrades aren't dealer options. Other than some meathead turning the line pressure way down under hard acceleration and killing the tranny. Here, read and see what you think on this one. http://www.socaps.com/ubbthreads/sho...0&Number=12515
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351M, I don't think that selling more trucks makes a manufacturer's product better, either, but, it's usually a safe assumption that in any particular market, if someone outsells so many competitors for so long, it's because they have a better product.
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From: Prince George, B.C.
It is possible yes but I really have yet to see any of the big 3 have any real superiority over the next. No one seems to be getting anywhere here, I was just reading in another forum, The guys there have pretty good arguments for all the diesels and thier trannys. This thread got my attention: http://forums.pickuptruck.com/printt...02&type=thread
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Originally Posted by FordLariat
351M, I don't think that selling more trucks makes a manufacturer's product better, either, but, it's usually a safe assumption that in any particular market, if someone outsells so many competitors for so long, it's because they have a better product.
Ford has incredible fleet discounts. They move a lot of vehicles this way. Keeps their numbers artificially inflated. BTW a little charm goes a long way. If you can get into the fleet office at the dealership. You are in for a nice suprise. I cant get close to A plan but 8000 off sticker with no incentives is a good start.
My truck didnt come with an owners manual ironman. Its a 5 speed manual anywho. It also raps out a little sooner than 3300 too. Ive pulled 18k with it. Its a good tow rig. No speed demon, but itll get up to 65 before I hit the freeway.
It is possible that the zf is rated lower. I think the opposite is true of the nv. I have found the nv rated to 23k in the dodge app. Dodges website is very difficult to navigate. It seems almost identical on the ford site. On one vehicle they have 100 less pounds for the manual. Can you show me what you are suggesting? Youve mentioned it a few times but I dont quite get the jist yet.
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Hey Logical, of the pre powerstroke 7.3s I've driven, I noticed the clutch was kind of sticky and clunky. Nearly impossible to shift smoothly. The only way I could get it to shift without lurching severely was to switch gears way too early before the rpms were very high. You have this problem at all?
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As far as line pressure the Predator takes care of that, and I don't see how anyone would want a stick in any truck smaller than a F550. The torqueshift will handle anything you want to hook to the receiver.
And as far as the almighty 600 Cummins goes you Dodge guys can have them all,I was driving Ryans new one around last night and the ******* blows my doors off with my own truck!I think the thing loses too much power when you really turn it.
And as far as the almighty 600 Cummins goes you Dodge guys can have them all,I was driving Ryans new one around last night and the ******* blows my doors off with my own truck!I think the thing loses too much power when you really turn it.