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From: 3rd Rock
Originally Posted by tdister
"The Harley is faster and it cost slightly less as well. It looks like Ford is dominating that segment, given the fact that HD f150s are now hard to find at the dealer while the SS just sits on the lot."
Well they aren't presently being made(is it?), thats why you don't see them on the lot. Show me some sales figures and I'll listen, until then lets try to stick to facts here. It's too soon for that so I'll move on.
Wow, the Harley's .1 second faster in the 1/4. When your still hovering aroung 15 seconds .1 isn't much of a difference. Technically your right (maybe-still haven't seen side by side) but come on, .1( maybe .2)? While were nit-picking #'s the SS gets 1 mpg better city and HWY. I have heard of Harley's doing mid 14's more often than the 14.8 someone mentioned in all fairness. A supercharged 5.4 2wd vs a NA 6.0 4x4? I should hope the Harley would win. Even if the harley is a 1/2 second faster, it doesn't matter, it's still in a different class. Why? read on
The 4 door is a benefit to some and it definetly has that going for it, but I would personally (if in the market) get an ext. cab even on an f-series (my dog is the only one that rides back there, except maybe once a month). The Harley is missing 4wd(as far as capabilities), though I'm sure some SS buyers would prefer 2wd and can't have it. this has definetly been discussed, so I'll move on.
The SS also has a longer bed than the harley supercrew. This has forced some F150 buyers (not just talking harley here) to either stick to an ext. cab or move up to a superduty, just to get a normal short bed. After you put a tool chest back there(in Screws), there isn't much bed space available. I have a small (really small) sailboat that I carry in the reg. (short) bed, the 5.5' bed just wouldn't work for me.
The SS is also rated to tow 3,100#'s more (a popular subject on this site) 4,500 vs 7,600, pretty big difference. The SS has full-size ability, the Harley doesn't-different class of trucks. Hope you guys don't consider this trolling, I just root for the underdog-especially if it isn't really the underdog. I also like debates so I await your rebuttal.
Well they aren't presently being made(is it?), thats why you don't see them on the lot. Show me some sales figures and I'll listen, until then lets try to stick to facts here. It's too soon for that so I'll move on.
Wow, the Harley's .1 second faster in the 1/4. When your still hovering aroung 15 seconds .1 isn't much of a difference. Technically your right (maybe-still haven't seen side by side) but come on, .1( maybe .2)? While were nit-picking #'s the SS gets 1 mpg better city and HWY. I have heard of Harley's doing mid 14's more often than the 14.8 someone mentioned in all fairness. A supercharged 5.4 2wd vs a NA 6.0 4x4? I should hope the Harley would win. Even if the harley is a 1/2 second faster, it doesn't matter, it's still in a different class. Why? read on
The 4 door is a benefit to some and it definetly has that going for it, but I would personally (if in the market) get an ext. cab even on an f-series (my dog is the only one that rides back there, except maybe once a month). The Harley is missing 4wd(as far as capabilities), though I'm sure some SS buyers would prefer 2wd and can't have it. this has definetly been discussed, so I'll move on.
The SS also has a longer bed than the harley supercrew. This has forced some F150 buyers (not just talking harley here) to either stick to an ext. cab or move up to a superduty, just to get a normal short bed. After you put a tool chest back there(in Screws), there isn't much bed space available. I have a small (really small) sailboat that I carry in the reg. (short) bed, the 5.5' bed just wouldn't work for me.
The SS is also rated to tow 3,100#'s more (a popular subject on this site) 4,500 vs 7,600, pretty big difference. The SS has full-size ability, the Harley doesn't-different class of trucks. Hope you guys don't consider this trolling, I just root for the underdog-especially if it isn't really the underdog. I also like debates so I await your rebuttal.
Good lourd mate what in the world are you doing up at 3:21 AM
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From: Orange
Originally Posted by tdister
Hope you guys don't consider this trolling, I just root for the underdog-especially if it isn't really the underdog. I also like debates so I await your rebuttal.
I'm over 6 feet tall, so having an extended cab just will not work for me. I also like the potential that the HD engine has, which is another thing that seems to be overlooked. The HD can be very easily put over the 500 hp mark, something that the Chevy is hard to do. Take the new cobra: with a blower pulley and an exhaust, it'll run mid 12s all day while a supercharged Z06 will run high 12s. I don't know why the chevy's don't respond, but that is something that is a deterrent to some.
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"Good lourd mate what in the world are you doing up at 3:21 AM"
Getting paid, I do systems int. tech support (global) and the boss man gave me $2 an hour more to work graveyard for a while. Really adds up in overtime. I'm at work for 10 hours, 2-3 hours of actual work during my shift-the rest is free time(too much of it spent here
). The good thing is I have high speed internet and am allowed to use it to pass the time. Oddly it really didn't change my sleeping habits all that much and I get more time with my g/f (I don't spend as much time at home getting my internet fix anymore).
Getting paid, I do systems int. tech support (global) and the boss man gave me $2 an hour more to work graveyard for a while. Really adds up in overtime. I'm at work for 10 hours, 2-3 hours of actual work during my shift-the rest is free time(too much of it spent here
). The good thing is I have high speed internet and am allowed to use it to pass the time. Oddly it really didn't change my sleeping habits all that much and I get more time with my g/f (I don't spend as much time at home getting my internet fix anymore).
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From: 3rd Rock
Originally Posted by tdister
"Good lourd mate what in the world are you doing up at 3:21 AM"
Getting paid, I do systems int. tech support (global) and the boss man gave me $2 an hour more to work graveyard for a while. Really adds up in overtime. I'm at work for 10 hours, 2-3 hours of actual work during my shift-the rest is free time(too much of it spent here ). The good thing is I have high speed internet and am allowed to use it to pass the time. Oddly it really didn't change my sleeping habits all that much and I get more time with my g/f (I don't spend as much time at home getting my internet fix anymore).
Getting paid, I do systems int. tech support (global) and the boss man gave me $2 an hour more to work graveyard for a while. Really adds up in overtime. I'm at work for 10 hours, 2-3 hours of actual work during my shift-the rest is free time(too much of it spent here
). The good thing is I have high speed internet and am allowed to use it to pass the time. Oddly it really didn't change my sleeping habits all that much and I get more time with my g/f (I don't spend as much time at home getting my internet fix anymore).
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From: Honkytonkville
Originally Posted by tdister
The SS is also rated to tow 3,100#'s more (a popular subject on this site) 4,500 vs 7,600, pretty big difference. The SS has full-size ability, the Harley doesn't-different class of trucks.
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Well I'll believe you if you can provide a reason as to why- I don't see any reason why it couldn't- the only suspension difference from my bro-in-law's 2wd would be lowered 1" if I'm correct- and don't they have even better brakes? I am not familiar with these trucks too much so an explanation would be appreciated.
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"My Brother-in law's '02 F150 Ext cab 5.4 auto has a tow rating of 8300 lbs-I'm sure because I remember looking it up in the owner's manual- what makes the H/D so much less capable?"
Scott
I assume it's the suspension, but it may be that the supercharged motor just isn't cut out for extended heavy work (from heat generation for example). If it's just the suspension you could put air bags on and shouldn't be a problem, but your still illegal over 4,500 #'s. Anyone know for sure?
Tim Lankin- Yeah it was pretty hard for me to turn down. I was about due for a raise anyway, but it wouldn't have been that big and I got it sooner. the good thing is the pay stays when I go back to a normal schedule. Good things happen when your the only one capable of working by yourself
Scott
I assume it's the suspension, but it may be that the supercharged motor just isn't cut out for extended heavy work (from heat generation for example). If it's just the suspension you could put air bags on and shouldn't be a problem, but your still illegal over 4,500 #'s. Anyone know for sure?
Tim Lankin- Yeah it was pretty hard for me to turn down. I was about due for a raise anyway, but it wouldn't have been that big and I got it sooner. the good thing is the pay stays when I go back to a normal schedule. Good things happen when your the only one capable of working by yourself
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I exclude the HD for 2 reason. It is very limited edition and Ford is not free to do as they will with the truck. Again the chevy gets the middle market. Of course how big is that market and will chevy be forced to up that ante and go play with the lightning and SRT or will Ford and Dodge need to market a middle truck like the SS. To say someone is buying a SS for a tow vehicle dosen't make sense.
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I haven't even read every word of this whole thread, as there's too much emotional stuff for me to handle. In any case, this forum specifies that we are supposed to be objective, and that's what I'll try to do.
The SS is a great truck, and is likely the best performing, yet semi-practical working truck availible right now. That said, I drive a Ford truck that I love, but I grew up in a Chevy family, and certainly don't have anything against that brand. However, I have to agree with whoever takes issue with the "SS" moniker being used on this truck. SS should only be applied to a tire smoking machine that will kill anything on the road. In the past 20 years, GM has really dropped the bucket on that one, although the late Camaro SS and the 454 SS were good examples.
Anyone remember the 454 SS of the early 90's? Now THAT took ***** on GM's part. Putting a 454 in a half ton years before anyone else was selling "sport trucks". Granted, it probably hardly had 300 horses, but at that time, it was king of the road.
Aw junk, now I've digressed and spilled my own emotions. Sorry guys.
The SS is a great truck, and is likely the best performing, yet semi-practical working truck availible right now. That said, I drive a Ford truck that I love, but I grew up in a Chevy family, and certainly don't have anything against that brand. However, I have to agree with whoever takes issue with the "SS" moniker being used on this truck. SS should only be applied to a tire smoking machine that will kill anything on the road. In the past 20 years, GM has really dropped the bucket on that one, although the late Camaro SS and the 454 SS were good examples.
Anyone remember the 454 SS of the early 90's? Now THAT took ***** on GM's part. Putting a 454 in a half ton years before anyone else was selling "sport trucks". Granted, it probably hardly had 300 horses, but at that time, it was king of the road.
Aw junk, now I've digressed and spilled my own emotions. Sorry guys.
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Holley has a SC system for the "normal" 5.4 and they say it makes more power than the Lightning. Street legal and passes emissions. BTW, the Harley trucks are a detuned Lightning that also happen to be 4 door supercrews. They will SPANK SS's ALL day long.
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Originally Posted by tkondro
I'm talking a 5.4 L vehicle that is comparable to the SS. Not the lightning "buddy". Supercharge any normal 5.4 L and you won't end up to the SS. Does the lighning have all wheel drive, let alone an extended cab? Last time I looked I didn't think so.
Supercharge the norma 5.4 and you will eat the SS no prob. The lightning does not need AWD, it gets enough traction as it is, and Ford probobly does not want the extra weight of the AWD.