Jack, I'm going to butt is (cause I'm rude) and explain an attitude that has evolved over a long period of time.

We are all sympathetic to the problems that a few folks are having with their Trucks. We express that sympathy by providing solutions to their problems. There are a very few specific problems that occur with a relatively small number of trucks. Solutions have been discovered for these problems. These solutions vary from "reboot the PCM" to "make 'em give you a new truck." Some of us have expended considerable effort to discover what makes these trucks tick for this purpose.

We also share other information on such things as aftermarket products, oil and fun events and friendships as you would do on any enthusiast forum.

I have a problem (and I am far from alone) with people who out of anger or frustration have to try to "punish" Ford and the majority of us who are not having problems, by submitting us to a never ending barrage of false and unsupported statements about the reliability of our trucks. When we allow the lies to be told often enough, unchallenged, eventually it will wear us down to the point that we will believe it and become dissatisfied with our trucks. Worse, this hatred, left unchecked has become a internet hoax, with the potential to drive down the value of our trucks. We have invested a lot of money in these trucks. To let a few drive the value down would be foolish.

In addition there have been trolls on our forum. Ford haters, Chevy and Dodge owners and dealers who attack our product for their own reasons.

I for one don't feel the need to be someone's psychological nanny or whipping boy. If these people need to get rid of anger and frustration, they need to talk to their wives, relatives or a medical professional.

As one famous Forum participant says(or something similar) Just my perceptions; nothing personal.

 

No, I do not work for FORD, go back and read my thousands of posts and see how insensitive you think I am.

After reading through my posts take the time to explain yourself and YOUR comments on how in this thread I am less sympathetic to these the many 6.0 owners with problems.

That is not coming from Tim the moderator...IT IS coming from TIM a 6.0 owner that has had some problems……………also.

 

I think what you recieved was what the Psych Doctors call an ad hoc attack where someone attacks a person indirectly by attacking a third person. In other words, you took a round for me...that is why I responded directly.

 

Understand................however, I take all who participate in the 6.0 area as people who care and WE ALL are trying to improve our experience with the 6.0.

I will.........with anyone, who makes a statement as he did................ask for an explanation. No matter who it is directed at!

 

You are a lot more sensitive to the feelings of people than I am. I have a more practical approach. Without you, posts (not necessarily mine) would be a lot tougher.

 

Herin lies your problem. In any mass manufactured complex items, there are going to be errors.

This forum, in my opinion, only reflects a small percentage of 6.0L owners. Making a decision on whether the product is good or bad, based on what is reported here would be faulty. Taking what you read here and using the information when you go out and evaluate the product would have a value. Getting information here on how to better your experience is of high value. Sort of like the "is the glass half full or half empty" analogy.

In debates, a personal attack usually an indicator of a weak position.

 

I always feel like an intellectual midget after reading your posts.

 

You amaze me with the crativity you have on wringing out more horses from your truck. But I guess that is what makes this forum good is the synergy. Darn, now I sound like a marketing/sales type!


Come on, Jeff, you sleeping !

 

There are lots of good ideas floating around this forum. The latest one I'm investigating is the water/alcohol injection. It should help the trucks lower the exhaust temp and pick up a little power. There is some danger of the water puddling or becoming liquid which can warp a valve or at worst hydraulic lock the engine which can break pistons. I have a lot of study to do. I have ordered a book. There is plenty of information on water injecting gas engines but not diesels.

 

That's exactly what I am talking about. But then I am looking for some good books on the PCM, FICM and TCMs. Anybody know where I can get a book that gives you the logic, etc. ?

 

Duh? Logic?

You are asking a question using a word of the language my youngest son speaks...I don't understand him 1/2 the time either.

 

A google search turned up: http://www.diesel-central.com/Tech/G...20Bulletin.doc

and http://www.dalidesign.com/hbook/eecbooks.html

 

I shoulda looked at dalisesign. I got his stuff for the EEC-IV on my Bronco. Thanks for the info.

 

Me and my service manger. 20 trucks 3hrs 12 with leaks.
My truck had has 2 R/M seals go out in the first 6 moths
I don't appreciate your attack on me.

 

We have hundreds of truck owners come through here every day...My dealer Sells 200+ PSDs per month, The dealer that is 3 miles from my home has 500 to 700 PSDs all the time..

There are a small percentage of each group, less than 5% that have a RMS leak.

It is hard for us to believe that based upon your small survey you would assume that more than half of all PSDs everywhere have a RMC leak. In the past this has simply not been true.

If you get the owner of the dealership to write a letter to FTE with a phone number that we can contact him to verify that that your sample is correct, then we may believe that on your dealership, there is an aberration.

The problem I had with your post was that it was presented as a representative sample and thus half of all PSDs everwhere are leaking.
I'm sorry you feel that way about my attack.