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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by akcooper9
I see less smoke with PHPs 80HP tunes then their 65HP tunes.
Interesting. I definitely see more smoke at throttle in with higher than 65hp tunes. The 80hp will clear up pretty quick. The 140hp not so much. lol. But my ICP struggles with the 140 tune as well so that may be a contributing factor.

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regarding this ais and minder, page 2 of this is a good real with pictures, i going to try that flap

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...w-rates-2.html
Thanks for the link. Long read between the thread and the follow up thread. Not sure what the OP ended up doing. Looked like he was going to cut the box but I never saw that he actually did it.

On that note we may have to revisit this experiment after I get some more miles with the 6637. If the fender hole really does help flow then it might be too soon to write off the AIS. When towing light with the UTV and 65hp tunes it seemed to keep up well and only pulled the minder 25% after 3.5 hours. Sooo a touch more flow might work out. If I could get it to only pulling 25% while towing my car hauler then I feel that is acceptable.


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Why oh why did you have to further my education with regard to alternative compressor wheels for the S366SXE? I was feeling pretty pleased with myself after buying all the parts and emptying my bank account. Now you tell me there's more PMS fodder. My wife may list you as a contributing party in our divorce papers.
I thought your wife didn’t know about the SXE project.
 
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Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
Interesting. I definitely see more smoke at throttle in with higher than 65hp tunes. The 80hp will clear up pretty quick.
I wonder if you still have a leak some where? They only time I get smoke is 8-10K in elevation or if Im under the turbo as Sous has indicated.

Last month in RR, NM I got tired of the smoke while running around so I ran the modified stock tune and it still produced smoke if I was under the turbo.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FordTruckNoob
Why oh why did you have to further my education with regard to alternative compressor wheels for the S366SXE? I was feeling pretty pleased with myself after buying all the parts and emptying my bank account. Now you tell me there's more PMS fodder. My wife may list you as a contributing party in our divorce papers.
The 6+6 compressor is a loud one, some are also available with longer ETT exducer tips depending on the manufacturer.

This is what they sound like.

 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 02:42 PM
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The CCV was hooked up. I decided it was SUCKING oil out of the engine!!
Because there was a restriction it was trying to get air anywhere it could so it sucked it through the CCV? That makes sense.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 02:44 PM
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Here is my stock FM on my AFE 2 intake. Not quite WOT but very spirited. My boost gauge only goes to 30 psi so....
 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
I thought your wife didn’t know about the SXE project.
She will if I keep spending money.

Originally Posted by brokestroke
The 6+6 compressor is a loud one, some are also available with longer ETT exducer tips depending on the manufacturer.

This is what they sound like.
More importantly though, does it improve performance?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FordTruckNoob
She wull if I keep spending money.


More importantly though, does it improve performance?
The 6+6 is an all round solid performer with some emphasis on better top end performance. I switched from it to something quieter.
 
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Originally Posted by akcooper9
I wonder if you still have a leak some where? They only time I get smoke is 8-10K in elevation or if Im under the turbo as Sous has indicated.

Last month in RR, NM I got tired of the smoke while running around so I ran the modified stock tune and it still produced smoke if I was under the turbo.
I’ve looked it over very well for any more drive pressure leaks. Everything looks clean.

This was coming from about 55mph so 1600rpm and just below the turbo. The point though is that I didn’t see any of that in the same tune with the AIS, which is very strange in my mind. I may have to do a follow up test. I need a whole bunch of cameras.

Originally Posted by brokestroke
The 6+6 compressor is a loud one, some are also available with longer ETT exducer tips depending on the manufacturer.

This is what they sound like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA5Pb-j9NCU
NOPE! Help yourself Noob. This one’s not for me.

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Because there was a restriction it was trying to get air anywhere it could so it sucked it through the CCV? That makes sense.
Yes that’s the thought. SSJ can explain his opinion but that’s my take on it.

Your FM looks like zero movement same as my 6637. But you really need to let that skinny pedal find the floor in a hot tune. The AIS doesn’t even pull the FM unless I’m hitting it hard. How much boost you seeing?
 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by brokestroke
The 6+6 is an all round solid performer with some emphasis on better top end performance. I switched from it to something quieter.
Could you point me to a good place to educate myself on S366SXE compressor wheels please?

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NOPE! Help yourself Noob. This one’s not for me.
Yeah that one seems to be a little loud, even for me.
 
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Originally Posted by FordTruckNoob
Could you point me to a good place to educate myself on S366SXE compressor wheels please?


Yeah that one seems to be a little loud, even for me.
Noob Noob Noob. You are installing a SXE with VGT. Let’s stop there for now. We do not want to stress your marital status. Then you REALLY won’t have any money for the truck. And maybe not even the truck.
 
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Originally Posted by FordTruckNoob
Could you point me to a good place to educate myself on S366SXE compressor wheels please?


Yeah that one seems to be a little loud, even for me.
General internet searches can find you the differences between basic compressor designs. Example, "6+6 compressor vs 7+7".

Here are a couple of examples of whats available.

SP Turbo 6+6 non-threaded (what was in the video posted above.) I ran this one for a while, good quality, 99.4mm (ett) exducer.

https://www.spturboost.com/collectio...sor-wheel-sx-e

Barder turbo 6+6 threaded. Cant say anything about this one. Lists as 99.4mm (ett) exducer​​​​​.

https://barderturboservice.com/produ...mpressor-wheel

Mamba turbo 6+6 threaded, 99.4mm (ett) exducer. Mamba makes good parts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbo-Bille...QAAOSwVoVb2Bxm

Mamba 11+0 non-threaded, 96.67mm (ett) exducer. This is the super quiet one. Currently what I run, very nice quality. **Note the 11+0 has a taller tip height than the Mamba 6+6.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Billet-Turb...oAAOSwezRb2B5L

For the S364.5/S363 guys there is now a 6+6 compressor available.

364.5
https://www.spturboost.com/collectio...mpressor-wheel

363
https://www.spturboost.com/collectio...sor-wheel-sx-e


11+0 and 6+6 for reference

 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV

Your FM looks like zero movement same as my 6637. But you really need to let that skinny pedal find the floor in a hot tune. The AIS doesn’t even pull the FM unless I’m hitting it hard. How much boost you seeing?
It found the floor tonight. I will check tomorrow if the FM moved. That AFE intake flows a lot of air. Idk how much boost. My 30 psi gauge is pegged. I don't want to spend another 200 to get one. I tried to buy a used on of eBay but the guy wanted to play games. I run Isspro perfomax.
 
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Old Jul 17, 2020 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JT250
It found the floor tonight. I will check tomorrow if the FM moved. That AFE intake flows a lot of air. Idk how much boost. My 30 psi gauge is pegged. I don't want to spend another 200 to get one. I tried to buy a used on of eBay but the guy wanted to play games. I run Isspro perfomax.
Yeah 30 isn’t enough anymore.
But it doesn’t really matter so save that cash for something more important.
Mine will float past the max gauge number of 35 at times. Autometer Sport Comp II

I suspect your AFE will move plenty of air similar to the 6637. I’ll be surprised if the FM moves at all for you.

On a different note I had planned to upload some videos comparing the AIS sound to the 6637. But this evening I realized the 6637 run had the windows down. My purpose for recording was just to review gauges afterwards. I’ll have to take some more.
 
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Originally Posted by RacinJasonWV
Noob Noob Noob. You are installing a SXE with VGT. Let’s stop there for now. We do not want to stress your marital status. Then you REALLY won’t have any money for the truck. And maybe not even the truck.
*Stands up from sitting in a circle*
Noob: Hello everyone. My name is Noob and my addiction is PMS.
Everyone: Hi Noob. *golf clap*


Originally Posted by brokestroke
General internet searches can find you the differences between basic compressor designs. Example, "6+6 compressor vs 7+7".

Here are a couple of examples of whats available.

SP Turbo 6+6 non-threaded (what was in the video posted above.) I ran this one for a while, good quality, 99.4mm (ett) exducer.

https://www.spturboost.com/collectio...sor-wheel-sx-e

Barder turbo 6+6 threaded. Cant say anything about this one. Lists as 99.4mm (ett) exducer​​​​​.

https://barderturboservice.com/produ...mpressor-wheel

Mamba turbo 6+6 threaded, 99.4mm (ett) exducer. Mamba makes good parts.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbo-Bille...QAAOSwVoVb2Bxm

Mamba 11+0 non-threaded, 96.67mm (ett) exducer. This is the super quiet one. Currently what I run, very nice quality. **Note the 11+0 has a taller tip height than the Mamba 6+6.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Billet-Turb...oAAOSwezRb2B5L

For the S364.5/S363 guys there is now a 6+6 compressor available.

364.5
https://www.spturboost.com/collectio...mpressor-wheel

363
https://www.spturboost.com/collectio...sor-wheel-sx-e


11+0 and 6+6 for reference
Awesome. Thank you sir. You have obviously done a deep dive on this. How has the 11+0 been performing for you?
 
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Some random screenshots I took today while towing the camper. Don't judge my FuelPW or IPR readings... This was all using PHP 80HP, which I saw no noticeable difference from the 65HP. I have since switched back to the 65HP tune and will run that from now on.

My IAT sensor is tucked up under the fuse box. I have a plastic cylinder secured to the sensor base which covers all of the sensor itself. It probably receives very little air flow in its position with the cylinder around it. I have a Donaldson blue 6637 style filter with a pre-filter cover on it.

Outside ambient temperature was between 91 and 100 degrees!

MGP is boost, thanks for the tip on that @BWST











 
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