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Old 01-07-2020, 09:24 AM
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Seat of pants towed well at the 1925 rpms. ran at about a 50-55% engine load steady state and coolant temps 189 F running 30-35 degrees of spark (timing) advance also at steady state at that 66 mph
How does the new electr-hydraulic power steering feel on the 2020 models compared to the older? Is it easier to steer? Does it feel loose or tight like the EPS on a F150.

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Impressive. It looks like the Tremor has quite a bit more drivetrain loss, which I would bet is from the tires. It would be interesting to see an overlay of the Tremor curves.
I don't see a giant difference where they start to level off and then peak. You? You think the 4.30s help for the Tremor 35"s?


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Old 01-07-2020, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by johndeerefarmer
How does the new electr-hydraulic power steering feel on the 2020 models compared to the older? Is it easier to steer? Does it feel loose or tight like the EPS on a F150.

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yes sir big time easier to steer night and day

ps good to hear from you again
 
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yes sir big time easier to steer night and day
Are you referring to the Adaptive Steering option, or was the regular steering upgraded? I didn’t order adaptive steering option because I figured it wasn’t worth $1000 to save a few turns of the wheel in a parking lot, but if anyone thinks it is a worthwhile option, I would certainly be interested to hear.

Also curious if you have noticed any difference in unloaded mpg’s between the 3.55 and the 4.30 Tremor?
 
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Originally Posted by h20camper
I don't see a giant difference where they start to level off and then peak. You? You think the 4.30s help for the Tremor 35"s?


STX w/ 3.55s

Tremor with 4.30s
Thanks for posting your findings. Interesting the 7.3 has 4.30 gearing and the 6.2 has the 3.73 gearing. Not really comparing apples to apples. And the 6.2 is still close in numbers. Would like to see the 7.3 towing in some hills or over some passes in Colorado. That will be interesting. Thanks again--good information here.
 
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Originally Posted by kuztomized
Are you referring to the Adaptive Steering option, or was the regular steering upgraded? I didn’t order adaptive steering option because I figured it wasn’t worth $1000 to save a few turns of the wheel in a parking lot, but if anyone thinks it is a worthwhile option, I would certainly be interested to hear.

Also curious if you have noticed any difference in unloaded mpg’s between the 3.55 and the 4.30 Tremor?
As compared to my 2016 the 2020 is drastically easier to steer, even without adaptive steering. I can’t imagine how adaptive steering would be too much easier I’m very happy without it.
 
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I don't see a giant difference where they start to level off and then peak. You? You think the 4.30s help for the Tremor 35"s?


STX w/ 3.55s

Tremor with 4.30s
Note that you are comparing the 4.30 Tremor 6th gear run to the 5th gear run on the 3.55 truck. 6th gear seems to produce better dyno numbers (more efficient) on the 10 speed dynos. At tip-in of 2K, torque from 350? to 365, maybe 370? (my eyeballing), and peak from 411 to at least 425? is pretty substantial in my opinion. Torque efficiency went from 13% to about 10% assuming a peak torque of advertised 475 at the crank and that the engines are making the same torque.
I cannot speak for whether the 4.30 help the 35" tires on the dyno. We do know that the 4.30 will absolutely help the 35's on the street.
 

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Originally Posted by kuztomized
Are you referring to the Adaptive Steering option, or was the regular steering upgraded? I didn’t order adaptive steering option because I figured it wasn’t worth $1000 to save a few turns of the wheel in a parking lot, but if anyone thinks it is a worthwhile option, I would certainly be interested to hear.

Also curious if you have noticed any difference in unloaded mpg’s between the 3.55 and the 4.30 Tremor?
No not adaptive steering. My '17 had that and it made the steering even harder to turn. I disconnected the elec motor for the adaptive steering and it got slightly easier to turn but nothing like the pre '17 trucks.
The 2020 model has electro-hydraulic steering. I think they added it so the trailer backup assist could take over and backup your trailer for you, like on the F150.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-electric.html
 
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Thanks Scottyg2333 and johndeerefarmer for the replies on the steering question! and sorry for the slight derail of the thread, but glad to learn something new
 
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ok ill play along just for fun , definitely not apples to apples with runs in diff gear ratios and trans ratios but why not, 4.30 vs 3.55 vs 33 inch tire vs 35 inch tire

lowest blue line is tremor 430 6th gear , different days
green line is 3.55 blue truck 5th gear , different days
and top blue line is tremor 4.30 in 7th gear before it hits speed limiter , ha ha makes more power in that run , well kinda LOL


 
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Originally Posted by kuztomized
Are you referring to the Adaptive Steering option, or was the regular steering upgraded? I didn’t order adaptive steering option because I figured it wasn’t worth $1000 to save a few turns of the wheel in a parking lot, but if anyone thinks it is a worthwhile option, I would certainly be interested to hear.
I do not own a truck with adaptive steering, or have I ever driven one. However I do not plan on buying the next truck without it. Not to save the turns in the parking lot, but towing. Seems if one was traveling at speed and a sudden gust of wind hits the truck, adaptive steering would reduce the possibility of over steer I would think. At least that is my reason for consideration of that option.
 
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I do not own a truck with adaptive steering, or have I ever driven one. However I do not plan on buying the next truck without it. Not to save the turns in the parking lot, but towing. Seems if one was traveling at speed and a sudden gust of wind hits the truck, adaptive steering would reduce the possibility of over steer I would think. At least that is my reason for consideration of that option.
I would concur.

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I drove a Platinum 7.3 with 3.55 today. I was very impressed, night and day difference in feel from the lone 6.2 I test drove. The 10 speed is amazing. I can agree the numbers on the dyno do not agree with the way it drives compared to the 6.2. A not quite 20 mile loop of mixed driving got 12.8 on the gauge.
 
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I drove a Platinum 7.3 with 3.55 today. I was very impressed, night and day difference in feel from the lone 6.2 I test drove. The 10 speed is amazing. I can agree the numbers on the dyno do not agree with the way it drives compared to the 6.2. A not quite 20 mile loop of mixed driving got 12.8 on the gauge.
That mirrors what I'm seeing. 450 miles mixed and I'm at 12.7 driving it really easy during the break in.
 
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ok ill play along just for fun , definitely not apples to apples with runs in diff gear ratios and trans ratios but why not, 4.30 vs 3.55 vs 33 inch tire vs 35 inch tire

lowest blue line is tremor 430 6th gear , different days
green line is 3.55 blue truck 5th gear , different days
and top blue line is tremor 4.30 in 7th gear before it hits speed limiter , ha ha makes more power in that run , well kinda LOL

I have a question on a comment from 5Star that I heard during the TFL video. They asked why the torque curve was so "wavy". The guy responded and said something like thats Ford's programming to control the torque. What exactly was he talking about? Does this motor have a lot of hidden potential?
 


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