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High beams have to be below at the 6 o'clock position to match the filament location of a H13 bulb. Rotating the bulb 180 degrees won't change the low beam at all, since they are centered on the bulb. I tried to rotate 180 degrees and high beam pattern was slightly better and more focused with the high beam LED's on the bottom (at least in my housings).
Also, I did successfully return my Xenon Depot bulbs. They refunded $100 after taking off the restocking fee and shipping cost. As to how long these other bulbs will last, I can't be sure. It's a $45 gamble I'm willing to test though.
The superbright LED bulbs look exactly like the autofeel bulbs to me (probably are made by the same company). I would just save some money and try the autofeel or nighteye ones.
My opinion is if you try the Autofeel or Nighteye bulbs and aren't happy with the high beam, don't waste you time trying other LED bulbs and just stick with the halogens or do a true HID retrofit. As of now, these have the best brights of any LED's available (for now).
High beams have to be below at the 6 o'clock position to match the filament location of a H13 bulb. Rotating the bulb 180 degrees won't change the low beam at all, since they are centered on the bulb.
I had never paid any attention to the actual position of the high beam filament in a halogen fixture, except for distance from the base. After seeing how bad my high beams dissipated, I reread the thread to find the suggested orientation for the high beam element. I haven't found a way to clock or reclock the elements in my housings without disassembling the front end of the truck again and removing the housings, so that, coupled with a lack of time is why I haven't yet done the flip. I want to like the high beam performance as much as I like the low beam.
I purchased the nighteye h13 12000 lumens so it says and I must say the cut off on them are incredible even with your high beams on the cutoff is sharper they are as bright as my wife's hid and projector bulbs my only thing now is I would like to rewire so that when I turn on Milo beings it switches two high beam input so that the fogs on the bottom stay on it should be just a quick switch of the pens if I'm correct please someone interject and let me know I ordered an extender harness for both sides so that I can manipulate the pins on those I want to drive with the high beams on they do not sign into anybody's eyes I will get photos tomorrow evening since the wife's car is parked in front of the garage I'm truly impressed by the cutoff and how white things are again the only downfall is the low beam which is still bright but if you want it truly hid output the only way is to flip around on what I'm suggesting with the pens in the harness
here's the set I bought . No interference with any Electronics nor can you hear the fans and a three-year warranty worth a shot again the high beams and cut off or on par with my wife's hid projection bulbs . They are a pure white and again there is no blinding light into oncoming traffic. Plus the lights come pre-positioned so there's no need to mess it with anything just twisting and plug in and you're set. Currently the low beam LEDs are on the bottom and when the high-beam is engage the bottom and top of light
I don't know what feels worse, having to admit I am a city dweller or recommending a product that doesn't fit the bill for both high and low beam. Sorry guys, apparently I only use low beams, looking at original vs xenon I concur the high beam led placement should be over lapped. Clearly this isn't the case with xenondepot
I had never paid any attention to the actual position of the high beam filament in a halogen fixture, except for distance from the base. After seeing how bad my high beams dissipated, I reread the thread to find the suggested orientation for the high beam element. I haven't found a way to clock or reclock the elements in my housings without disassembling the front end of the truck again and removing the housings, so that, coupled with a lack of time is why I haven't yet done the flip. I want to like the high beam performance as much as I like the low beam.
I will say this about the high beam performance. The LED's don't SEEM quite as focused as the high beams of a halogen. I don't know if it is because they actually aren't, or the fact that they light up so much around the road that they appear to not be as focused (I'm leaning this way a little). I will tell everyone that on a dark road with my high beam LED's on, I will not miss anything on the road in front of me or on the side that I wouldn't be able to avoid in time safely. Even if these LED's are only equal to high beam performance of a halogen, it seems everyone agrees that the low beams are much better. Just that fact alone and the fact that they should last many more hours than the best halogen make them a good buy to me. This is coming from someone who really wanted to hate all LED's after my last experience with the Lifetime LED's.
I heard from Xenon this AM, and they offered the option of installing HIDs. I passed, and am waiting for the RA. Hopefully it's be in an email tomorrow morning. The dimensions for the LED locations is wrong, and I'm optimistic they will process the RA because of this.
I measured all 4 lamps last night, and found distance from the mounting surface to the LEDs on the Xenon were way off from the measurements of the OE lamp. Both the Autofeel & Nighteye were very close. By my measurements (digitial micrometer), the Nighteye was the closest.
Nighteye has a 3 year warranty, and Autofeel is 1 year.
Tonight I installed. I adjusted the two new ones so the LEDs were a 3 and 9 o'clock. I didn't pay attention to whether the high beam LED (the rear one) was on top or bottom. The Autofeel and Nighteye low beams were superior to the Xenon in brightness and the beam was nicely focused on both. However, the Autofeel high beam was just as badly diffused as the Xenon. The Nighteye was a good beam on both low & high. I just looked at both lamps on the bench, and I see the mounting collar is keyed in the same spot on both. BUT, which LED is on top is opposite, which tells me that rotating the Autofeel 180* may in fact focus the high beam. I already submitted a return request for these on Amazon, but I'll try rotating them before I send them back.
Now the Nighteye harnesses with the driver module in it were not QC'd well. One had the 3 pins out of alignment a little, which prevented sliding the truck plug & light plug together. I got this resolved pretty easily. However, on the other harness I had a hard time pushing the 3 pin plugs together the last 1/8" so they'd latch together. After some fiddling, they snapped together, but the light didn't work when I turned on the headlights! I couldn't see anything wrong so I swapped the harnesses between the two lights, and the problem followed the bad harness. I sent a msg to the Amazon seller explaining the problem.
So tomorrow morning I'm back to running the OEM lights.
I will say this about the high beam performance. The LED's don't SEEM quite as focused as the high beams of a halogen. I don't know if it is because they actually aren't, or the fact that they light up so much around the road that they appear to not be as focused (I'm leaning this way a little). I will tell everyone that on a dark road with my high beam LED's on, I will not miss anything on the road in front of me or on the side that I wouldn't be able to avoid in time safely. Even if these LED's are only equal to high beam performance of a halogen, it seems everyone agrees that the low beams are much better. Just that fact alone and the fact that they should last many more hours than the best halogen make them a good buy to me. This is coming from someone who really wanted to hate all LED's after my last experience with the Lifetime LED's.
These actually replaced a set of Lifetime LED's with the elements on only one side of the assembly. The light output was much better than the factory halogens, but with the elements only on one side, the beam pattern left a lot to be desired. My Lifetimes had decent high and low beam performance, but that was about all I could say.
I now have great low beam performance. Once I rotate these, I hope there will be SOME improvement to the high beam. For now, I just stick to low beam - even on those dark and lonely country roads I travels at ridiculously early morning hours.
These actually replaced a set of Lifetime LED's with the elements on only one side of the assembly. The light output was much better than the factory halogens, but with the elements only on one side, the beam pattern left a lot to be desired. My Lifetimes had decent high and low beam performance, but that was about all I could say.
I now have great low beam performance. Once I rotate these, I hope there will be SOME improvement to the high beam. For now, I just stick to low beam - even on those dark and lonely country roads I travels at ridiculously early morning hours.
I expect you will see a very nice improvement when you rotate yours. After typing my last post I realized I can't work on this tomorrow night because of another commitment. So, I sucked it up and went outside and opened her up again so I could test the Autofeel's after a rotating them 180*. Totally different like has been said! High beam became focused, and I didn't notice any degradation in the low beam.
I took her for a ride, and the higher lumen output improved the low beam & the light is consistent across the whole pattern. Then, as for the the high beam, it's way better than the Xenon and OE in my opinion. More light, and the light is more visible to my eyes.
So I'm flipping my return decision because the Autofeel performed well and I just can't stand the thought of the poor quality wiring harness in the Nighteye. That was one mistake in each harness that I detected, and having worked in electronics for years, I have to wonder what other loose connection or poor solder joint might be lurking inside waiting to bite me.
I see that Nighteye makes a 9005 that may fit into the fog light socket, has anyone tried this yet? Is the same 6500k as the Autofeel headlight bulb.
Also I see they are 360° adjustable, anyone have an idea what direction the LEDs should be facing with the fog lights? Top, bottom, inside, or outside?
I changed from Xenon Depot to the Nighteye as well. I like the high beams of the Nighteye better and it seems the low beam is slightly better. I am glad to hear you guys are getting the RA's from Xenon, I requested an RA last night.
I expect you will see a very nice improvement when you rotate yours. After typing my last post I realized I can't work on this tomorrow night because of another commitment. So, I sucked it up and went outside and opened her up again so I could test the Autofeel's after a rotating them 180*. Totally different like has been said! High beam became focused, and I didn't notice any degradation in the low beam.
I took her for a ride, and the higher lumen output improved the low beam & the light is consistent across the whole pattern. Then, as for the the high beam, it's way better than the Xenon and OE in my opinion. More light, and the light is more visible to my eyes.
So I'm flipping my return decision because the Autofeel performed well and I just can't stand the thought of the poor quality wiring harness in the Nighteye. That was one mistake in each harness that I detected, and having worked in electronics for years, I have to wonder what other loose connection or poor solder joint might be lurking inside waiting to bite me.
My Autofeel/Nighteye experience was a little opposite of yours. The set of autofeel bulbs I was sent had to have the pins bent on one side and the other side would have needed the notch filed down a little so when I pushed it into the factory plug it would have locked in. Since I was just testing them, I just used a zip tie to hold it in place. The Nighteye set I was sent needed no altering at all. I'm guessing both of these sets of bulbs lack a little on the QC side, which I guess can be a little expected due to the cost. I don't mind doing a little alteration so long as they work. We already have to drill the hole in the collar to get the drivers side clocked correctly. Maybe it is best to order a couple sets and keep the best 2 and return the others.
I'm glad you were able to get the Autofeel bulbs to work well for you, after turning them around. Make sure to post back if you start to see any issues in the future. I'm curious as to how long these lights will end up lasting.
On the subject of the LED fogs. I did try some of those a while back and they worked well with the LED's facing left/right. With as bright as these LED headlights are with low beams on, I'm not sure how much coverage of the road you will get with them (I'm sure they will help some). I have since switched to retro-solutions capped 3000K 35w HIDs for fogs. They may not match the headlights, but they really cut through crappy weather. During severe rain/snow, I will run the fogs only and they are much better than with the headlights on (this is only during the real bad storms though). The LED headlights really tend to reflect off heavy fog/snow/rain, and can be kind of annoying at times.
I went ahead and rotated my elements 180° this afternoon before leaving for work. Due to lack of time, I did not yet drill the hole in the collar on the driver's side to lock it down. I will get to check high beam performance on my way home at 3a tomorrow.
As far as fogs, I am still using my Lifetime LED fog bulbs and they work very well. Mine are oriented horizontally - just like the headlight bulbs. I can really tell a difference at the amount of light directly in front of me with them on, but to reinforce that, I will turn them off now and then as a reminder of how much they help.
So the night I has a LED filament on top and one on the bottom should the high-beam be on the bottom or on the top I know that when the high beams are on they are as good if not better than hid with a nice cut off but the high beam needs to be engaged.
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