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Old Jul 22, 2016 | 11:14 PM
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The new O2 sensor is in. I grounded very near the sensor to the exhaust flange that connects on of the headers to a pipe, and to the frame. I filed the frame to ensure good contact. Reading is a constant .2.

Codes are still 41 and 34. I'm going to take it for a ride and test again. I'll let you know if the results change.

By the way, if you remember there are two hoses that connect to the vacuum reservoir, one red, one black. Can't remember if we determined yesterday if there is suction in the red hose. There is plenty of suction. I tested it.

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Steve, you should clear the Code 34 first, before you spend much more time with the 41 issue. But, it sounds like you got the ground nailed…… (0.2 ohms, no resistance). You currently have no vacuum to your EGR, TAD & TAB.

But, if you want, connect your voltmeter (dc volts) to your O2 wire connection (Pos. Lead) & Neg. lead to your great ground.

Check the voltage reading at idle, (After your engine is fully warm) record reading. Run it up to 1900 rpm, and watch the meter at the same time, the voltage level should increase up close to 1.0 vdc and then back down at idle.

KOER Code 41; You stated that you moved your O2 sensor from its original location (knee of “Y” pipe) to the passenger side exhaust header location.

Food for thought;;; It is possible, that your temperature for just 4 cylinders may never increase the O2 Sensor to the proper temperature to operate properly.
 

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Old Jul 22, 2016 | 11:21 PM
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Does any of this look familiar?


Yes Gary, this is the right drawing.....
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 04:08 AM
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Sounds like a plan.


Originally Posted by vjsimone
Original ID/N E5TE-9E453-AC, this part has a check valve built into the reservoir. So if Steve blew high pressure into the Intake manifold side of the reservoir, he most likely popped the check valve diaphram.

He can put an inline check valve in the right direction, attached to the “Red” hose to fix this issue.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 04:19 AM
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I will check the voltage at idle and during increase in idle. I have thought that not including the other side might cause a malfunction. I could move the O2
to a better location and plug the hole of it present location. Can't do any of this today. Wife and I are heading out for the day.


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Steve, you should clear the Code 34 first, before you spend much more time with the 41 issue. But, it sounds like you got the ground nailed…… (0.2 ohms, no resistance). You currently have no vacuum to your EGR, TAD & TAB.

But, if you want, connect your voltmeter (dc volts) to your O2 wire connection (Pos. Lead) & Neg. lead to your great ground.

Check the voltage reading at idle, (After your engine is fully warm) record reading. Run it up to 1900 rpm, and watch the meter at the same time, the voltage level should increase up close to 1.0 vdc and then back down at idle.

KOER Code 41; You stated that you moved your O2 sensor from its original location (knee of “Y” pipe) to the passenger side exhaust header location.

Food for thought;;; It is possible, that your temperature for just 4 cylinders may never increase the O2 Sensor to the proper temperature to operate properly.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 05:13 AM
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I think this may work. Please let me know what you think. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/r...pgkxoC3T_w_wcB

Originally Posted by vjsimone
Original ID/N E5TE-9E453-AC, this part has a check valve built into the reservoir. So if Steve blew high pressure into the Intake manifold side of the reservoir, he most likely popped the check valve diaphram.

He can put an inline check valve in the right direction, attached to the “Red” hose to fix this issue.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 05:51 AM
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Snuck in a little time before my wife and I leave for the day. Voltmeter reading started at.1. At around 1900 RPM's the meter read .98. At least we know there's good connectivity.


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But, if you want, connect your voltmeter (dc volts) to your O2 wire connection (Pos. Lead) & Neg. lead to your great ground.

Check the voltage reading at idle, (After your engine is fully warm) record reading. Run it up to 1900 rpm, and watch the meter at the same time, the voltage level should increase up close to 1.0 vdc and then back down at idle.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by vjsimone
His current Code 34 issue is that he has no vacuum to the EGR during the KOER Self-Test.
34 codes can be caused by to much vacuum at the egr valve.
Lack of vacuum will not cause a 34 code.

The EGR valve is either stuck open or he has and electrical problem at the EGR sensor or wiring to it.

The 33 code is the one for lack of vacuum to the valve.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 07:17 AM
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This is interesting. However, we discovered an air leak in the plastic manifold that connects to the 4 solenoids. Using a gauge, there is 0 vacuum. Before I proceed I want to replace the plastic manifold (part on order) and replace, if possible, the vacuum reservoir. Once I do that, I'll pull codes again and if necessary, do some investigation with the EGR and the juice coming to it. The sensor and valve are brand spanking new, not that that means anything. But...

Parts should arrive sometime next week and I'll go from there.

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34 codes can be caused by to much vacuum at the egr valve.
Lack of vacuum will not cause a 34 code.

The EGR valve is either stuck open or he has and electrical problem at the EGR sensor or wiring to it.

The 33 code is the one for lack of vacuum to the valve.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 08:52 AM
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I think this may work. Please let me know what you think. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/r...pgkxoC3T_w_wcB
Steve, I would use the reservoir you have, and just add the check valve to your red hose, available from your local auto parts, they are about $6.

Check the Black hose side of your reservoir with your vacuum gage after you install the check-valve into the Red hose side. You should get 15-20 -in. Hg.....
 

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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 09:35 AM
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Snuck in a little time before my wife and I leave for the day. Voltmeter reading started at.1. At around 1900 RPM's the meter read .98. At least we know there's good connectivity.
I hope you had a grand day!!

Steve, this tells me your O2 is putting out a correct voltage range.

(Thinking out loud; So it went from idle / .1 vdc (very lean), to 1900rpm / .98 vdc (very rich))


"At least we know there's good connectivity."

Not so fast..... Remember that connector upstream from the O2 connector you had connectivity problems with? Re-check that connection when you get the chance. Retest.

I’m also guessing there may be another connector near your driver’s side wheel-well. You may want to trace your O2 wire back to the EAC, check for other connectors along the way.

You are going to need to prove you are getting this voltage back to your EAC, while your ECA is connected and your engine is running. We’ll get back to this.
 

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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 09:40 AM
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Steve - FYI, there's almost no current drawn through the circuit to the computer. So any resistance in connections causes major problems.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 10:22 AM
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Hi Gary - don't know why but I didn't get an email indicating you posted a message. I seem to be having that problem with Vincent's posts too. I can get into the forum and see the posts, but am not getting notifications. I'll check my settings at this end.

I'll look into the resistance issues this evening when I return.

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Steve - FYI, there's almost no current drawn through the circuit to the computer. So any resistance in connections causes major problems.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 10:24 AM
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Yes, I'm having similar problems with this thread. Or, maybe it only sends an email every few minutes and there are so many posts that it skips many.

Anyway, not sure you saw that I found the part number for the reservoir - just in case you decide to buy a new one.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 10:29 AM
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Yes, I did see that. Thanks!! But I'll be darned if I can find one, even in the junk yards. I sent a request for a search of one. We'll see what happens.

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Yes, I'm having similar problems with this thread. Or, maybe it only sends an email every few minutes and there are so many posts that it skips many.

Anyway, not sure you saw that I found the part number for the reservoir - just in case you decide to buy a new one.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2016 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sgauvry
Hi Gary - don't know why but I didn't get an email indicating you posted a message. I seem to be having that problem with Vincent's posts too. I can get into the forum and see the posts, but am not getting notifications. I'll check my settings at this end.

I'll look into the resistance issues this evening when I return.
Steve it is always good to go back to the previous page when you log-in to the Forum, and review, just in the case you missed a post, or if a previous post was modified to correct the text.
 
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