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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by c2z4s9
That's a very good question. They both appear to be hooked up. I'll have to investigate further. I also am getting a code 34.
The KOER Self-Test is looking for the idle to drop when it attempts to opened the EGR Valve, if the idle does not drop, this is one reason the ECA will throw a Code 34.
 

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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sgauvry
I actually looked at this diagram: EEC-IV Diagnostics - ???Gary's Garagemahal

I'll tried to find a better ground for my alligator clip.

Thanks!!

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That one looks familiar, I think I sent it to him from my 1986 Engine/Emissions Diagnosis (Volume H of the 1986 Car/Truck Shop Manual)
 
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 10:08 AM
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The KOER Self-Test is looking for the idle to drop when it attempts to opened the EGR Valve, if the idle does not drop, this is one reason the ECA will throw a Code 34.
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by vjsimone
The KOER Self-Test is looking for the idle to drop when it attempts to opened the EGR Valve, if the idle does not drop, this is one reason the ECA will throw a Code 34.
right, yes. I'm quietly following what you guys are suggesting. I'll let everyone know if I make progress that can help sgauvry.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 10:58 AM
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I got to ask, where did that PDF come from in post #648 as it has different explanation of codes then any Ford manual I have seen.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 11:26 AM
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I got to ask, where did that PDF come from in post #648 as it has different explanation of codes then any Ford manual I have seen.
The first one is out of an old Ford training program. I’m adding some others. I have about 7 different source interpretations of the codes, including the Haynes & Chilton F-150 man, also a FFI & EEC book. I find the older stuff is more descriptive. So, I review all my resources, and the internet, and depending on the situation, apply the ones that make sense to me.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 09:00 PM
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The first one out of an old Ford training program. I’m adding some others. I have about 7 different source interpretations of the codes, including the Haynes & Chilton F-150 man, also a FFI & EEC book. I find the older stuff is more descriptive. So. I review all my resources, and the internet, and depending on the situation, apply the ones that make sense to me.
Oopps, wrong page,,
 
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Old Jul 25, 2016 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sgauvry
Something's not right. Likely user error.
Battery disconnected - Paper clip to alligator clips, with paper clip in correct pin hole and remaining clip grounded.
Pin#49 - not sure of the wire to check but do have a wire with ground to firewall and checked that. Got 1. reading. Checked surrounding grounds with same results.
Pin #40 - Checked battery ground again with same results (1). This is the one I checked before and had positive results so I am thinking the ground I'm creating with the alligator clip isn't good.
Pin #20 - Not sure where to connect this. Tried it both on the spout and on the TFI connector. Got a 1.
For documentation purpose; Steve's measurements; ground pins,
PIN 49 = 1 ohm, PIN 40 = 0 ohm, PIN 20 = 0 ohm
 

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Old Jul 26, 2016 | 04:15 AM
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One of the prompts for a code 34 is vacuum leak. That is something we definitely have. Will fix that when the new vacuum manifold arrives.




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These differ a little:

EVP: see il code 84 is present; PFE: low exhaust backpressure, blocked sensor tube, bad sensor
R EGRC / EGRV: EGR valve opening not detected; EVR: EVP or PFE signal too high
M PFE: checked for blocked sensor tube; EVP: check EVP resistance

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Oopps, wrong page,,
 
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Old Jul 26, 2016 | 05:21 AM
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Just for the record - It rained last night, heavy. This morning I woke to 97% humidity and it's going to be another, very hot, very humid day.

She started right up!

This is twice we've had significant rain and she started. We'll do this a few more times to see if my rainy day issues are gone. I suspect they are.

Thanks to all!

Steve
 
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Old Jul 26, 2016 | 09:07 AM
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You asked me which of my vacuum reservoirs are in use. I pulled the red tube off my strange looking reservoir and there is vacuum there, and there's vacuum on the death star, so they are both in use.

Forgive me for not reading everything in the previous posts, but you determined that you have vacuum coming in to your reservoir on that red tube, right? If you put a gauge on that line what's the vacuum pulled?
 
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Old Jul 26, 2016 | 09:15 AM
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I'll have to get back to you on that. Not able to work on it today, but next time I can, I'll pull the vacuum on it and let you know.


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sgauvry

You asked me which of my vacuum reservoirs are in use. I pulled the red tube off my strange looking reservoir and there is vacuum there, and there's vacuum on the death star, so they are both in use.

Forgive me for not reading everything in the previous posts, but you determined that you have vacuum coming in to your reservoir on that red tube, right? If you put a gauge on that line what's the vacuum pulled?
 
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I'll have to get back to you on that. Not able to work on it today, but next time I can, I'll pull the vacuum on it and let you know.
FYI, Steve reported -20 in.Hg when I had him check the vacuum on the red line. See post #554.

He also added a new Check-Valve to the Red Hose, then tested the vacuum where the Black Hose side connects to the Reservoir (Solinoid Vacuum Manifold side) and reported -18 in.Hg. This also proved that he had his Check-Valve in the right direction.
 

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Originally Posted by sgauvry
These differ a little:

EVP: see il code 84 is present; PFE: low exhaust backpressure, blocked sensor tube, bad sensor
R EGRC / EGRV: EGR valve opening not detected; EVR: EVP or PFE signal too high
M PFE: checked for blocked sensor tube; EVP: check EVP resistance
Yes, there can be multiple reasons for the ECA to report the same code. This is what troubleshooting is all about, eliminating possible causes.
 
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