Yes, with good tunes, you will use every bit of fuel potential you have in AB injectors with a stock 15* HPOP.

Could you pick up 5hp... Sure... Maybe. Same thing you would get with just a simple 17* swap from a L99+... If your not going over 50% duty cycle, your pump is providing all the HPO your injectors need.

The Hydra is the best hardware on the market for the 7.3... Period. If you look around at sigs on this page, better then half run the Hydra now. Lots and lots of former users of the other brands have switched to the Hydra.

As I said before, Hydra comes with a built in No Start. It comes with a Built in Stock. It has 15 programmable shift on the fly spots left for you to fill. It comes with unlimited, free, all you can eat access to all of Power Hungry Performances Library of tunes... Free, forever.



Most vendors provide a free extension cable, so when you want to change or load a tune, you don't even have to pull the chip. Just plug it in to your computer, and install a new tune.

Want to try a Gearhead tune... Go for it, call up Gearhead, ask Matt to send you a tune, few minutes later its in your email, you load it up and enjoy.

What about Tony Wildman you say... Well, call him up, have him email you a tune.

Now there is that pesky Powerstruck guy, want to try his tunes, go for it... Same process...

Now...

Call up any one of those, or any other tuner... Ask if they can (or want to) put there tunes on a DP chip...

Aww man, your stuck.

Remember... Most of the guys that will tell you to run product X... have only run product X. There going to tell you its the best, bestest, suooper cool... Because they dont know any better.

Lets not forget about the Cyclops app for the Hydra...





Now you have no dash switch, but change tunes via your phone...

(also compatible with TS chips... and the "other" brand)

 

I respectfully but strongly disagree with this statement Scott. If he is pulling his 35ft camper up a grade and his fuel pressure is low, he is going to know something is wrong, and his truck won't hurt itself if he doesn't have the gauge to show it. If his fuel pressure gauge is showing good hauling that 5ver up a hill but his tranny is hitting 275 degrees because his bypass stuck open, he may find out the hard way...

 

Boost/MAP - Factory on-board sensor: With some moderate modifications, you can exceed the MAP sensor (about 48-50 PSI absolute). Since I overpowered my MAP sensor, I have OBDII to monitor the low stuff (OCR installed) and an analog gauge to see how high things go.

EGTs - no on-board sensor: A must, whether tuning or not. If the truck were new with no tuning, this would be unnecessary. With aging manifolds, up pipes, turbos, intake plenums, boots, etc... EGTs pop high far more frequently - even on stock. I have one EGT gauge for each manifold, and I've caught problems when one side or the other went high or low.

Transmission Fluid Temperature - factory on-board sensor: There is a perfectly fine sensor connected to the PCM, which you can read that on the OBDII port. I had one of these gauges, then I sold/traded it out to make room for a Fuel Pressure gauge. I now read TFT on the OBDII port.

Fuel Pressure gauge - no on-board sensor: Again... new truck? Not needed. We don't drive new trucks - we drive fossils with a weak-*** fuel delivery system that fails with age.

OBDII for everything else for me - including some stuff an external gauge could never read - i.e. FIPW and IPR.

Chip: I had DP (sponsor - look in the upper-right corner of this page when not on a mobile device), I have Hydra.

Tuning - fine print from a tuning site regarding 100HP tunes:

• ...the hp gains will be maxed out at 100 hp. Is that sustained or just a spike?
• Do not use for towing.

 

Great info! I upgraded my camper to a 35' from a 29', and before upping tire size I never had an issue towing on the 100hp setting of the bully dog. EGTs, trans temp, and boost all held well withing comfortable limits. Again, from what I've read the 100hp setting on the BD is NOTHING like the 100hp setting of the better regarded tuners.

I haven't pulled the new camper with the new tires so it's a totally new combination, but I've hauled the race car with my new tires in the 100hp tune and had zero issues.

I'll do some research on the Hydra, not sure how I haven't heard of it yet. I assume there is just a tuning community that provides all these tunes for free? What is the risk of running these tunes when they are provided free and probably have no actual company backing them up?

It seems opinions have changed in the last several years in terms of what stock e99 equipment can support. I was under the impression my HPOP was sub-par and couldn't keep up with the stock injectors and a good tune. My truck has been dead reliable and unchanged for a while so I haven't been following the scene much, now I feel like I'm starting from scratch, lol.

 

You are no longer starting from scratch. You have been given excellent advice so far. Some tuners/tuning/hardware is getting long in the tooth.

The Hydra "hardware" is superior in most ways and it is "not" proprietary. "PHP", via the library, and "GearHead" (company), via email or phone then email, offer free upgrades to your tuning forever every time you upgrade your truck: others do not, if I am missing one please offer a correction and I'll edit this post. The availability of different tuners to tune for the Hydra is unsurpassed, 8 that I am aware of. The library of tunes that was referred to above is attached to (PHP) Power Hungry Performance/Bill Cohron. He is located in GA, is an actual company, and taught most of the other guys who are in the business of tuning to include most of the other "major" tuners mentioned.

Run a few logs in stock mode so that we can see what your IPRDC, FIPW, and ICP are during runs. Please include RPM's, Speed, Boost and EBP.

Once we see those, we can very reliably see if your HPOP is popping or pooping.

A high FIPW, above 2.8mS at 3000rpm's, less as rpm's increase, will reliably cause most if not all HPOP's to fall flat on their face to include the T500. Some tuners will then tell you that you need a new HPOP when it is their tune that is causing the real issue. Next, after installing the new HPOP, when you are still seeing low ICP, smoke, noise, etc. they will state that you need injectors. Then when the injectors don't address the same issue, you'll be advised that you need more air. Some have paid "the big @$$" price for the knowledge being given here.

I have a prefectly functioning e99, 15* HPOP sitting in my basement that I did not need. I simply needed decent tuning that I received via email from Matt (tuner) at Gearhead for the PHP Hydra (hardware). With Matt's tunes that HPOP will maintain about 2750 psi ICP for 3 mins straight while pulling some of the grades in the mountains where I live (as long as traffic permits).
On different tunes, it would barely maintain 2000 psi ICP.

The thread below addresses this issue. Bill Cohron contributes a signficant amount of information.

The relation between Injection Pulsewidth and Loss of ICP - PowerStrokeNation : Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum

Your stock injectors will "never" produce any where near 100 HP, there simply is not enough fuel available. 60-70 additional HP is about it......if you are lucky and everything is healthy.

Check for exhaust leaks between the heads and exhaust manifolds, exhaust manifolds and up pipes, up pipes and collector. Those will be major contributors to any performance loss or gain. Next Riffraff sells the best CAC boots in the business and they are a great upgrade.

While you are under the VC's, think about pulling the injectors and replacing the o-rings. Old o-rings can also contribute to the illusion that your stock e99 15* HPOP is near death. Riffraff sells the o-rings as well. If they are original, they are most likely due. We can walk you through this. Loose injectors will do the same thing prior to becoming extremely noisey.

A T500 is a nice upgrade; however, since your money is tight, it can probably wait while you concentrate on other worthwhile upgrades.

 

Subscribing, learning, reinforcing... Y'all are awesome!

 

I didn't see the FIPW in the Ford PID set in TorquePro, so I found Tugly's post on his custom PIDs and it's the first one listed. For some reason TP doesn't like the equation though...

I keep getting "Equation:This value is invalid."

Is there a way to look up PIDs by PID number? Because Tugly lists one but it's not in the FORD PID list...

Tugly's thread for reference: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-for-7-3l.html

 

I have not mastered TP.

However, for a simple monitor of functions, FORScan will give them to you by default as well as ABS and body codes.

 

Outdated link there.... Try this one: [LINK]

If you have an error in the TP gauge with the provided PID information, there are two likely causes:

1. Sometimes the E99 doesn't like the same PIDs as L99 on up.
2. Typos kill PIDs. Make absolutely certain every character is where it's supposed to be - watch out for stray spaces and the like.

 

Rich, is the e99 issue with TP related solely to the PCM? If not, could you fill us e99 owners in on all the pertinent info?

 

Don't think this is an e99 issue since I haven't gotten far enough to try and plug it into the truck. I'm just trying to get the PID added to my dashboard. TP won't take the equation. I haven't tried the one in the updated thread. Going to the Chicago Auto Show today so won't have time to play with it until this evening..

 

I recently visited @scotttahoe, who has an E99 that's been mechanically updated to a L99. When I plugged my pre-configured TP into his truck, I think I remember one of the sensors was a fail. Maybe Scott remembers more on this than I do. I do remember a number of E99 owners posting issues with trying to get all the PIDs to work, but again... I can't remember the specifics. I think it has something to do with the header setting - it may need the same settings as the '97 7.3Ls.

This is a PCM thing, but I believe all the other modules are the same as the L99s on up.

 

On you'r TP it was the TPS that wouldn't take a reading but figured it out. Also it wouldn't read any of the cylinder contribution test, but can't remember if that was from the AE.

 

That was the one - it was cylinder 1 that wouldn't read, if I recall.

So you have TPS on TP? Did you share that already?

 

well I don't think it's a e99 L99 issue just yet since I can't even get the PID to load into the TP alone. For some reason that is the only PID that doesn't seem to be in the Ford PIDs and it won't let me add it using the formula Tugly posted...