This doesn't look right, does it?
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NOPE. At least I've never read of any documentation indicating as such.
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Speaking of I wonder if he could do a haul back and how much he would have
to charge. If you want to try that way. Right now I see the flowing problems.
Getting truck fixed in a fair amount of time and not costing an arm and a leg.
Getting the trailer home and/or selling it Or storage in Ca and picking it up
at a later date. One other option is having someone haul it back for fuel and
travel expense. I guess one would have to know hitch or 5th wheel also.
Now I recall you saying that you were thinking of selling it. So I have to ask
what type and how much you need out of it.
Sean
to charge. If you want to try that way. Right now I see the flowing problems.
Getting truck fixed in a fair amount of time and not costing an arm and a leg.
Getting the trailer home and/or selling it Or storage in Ca and picking it up
at a later date. One other option is having someone haul it back for fuel and
travel expense. I guess one would have to know hitch or 5th wheel also.
Now I recall you saying that you were thinking of selling it. So I have to ask
what type and how much you need out of it.
Sean
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I am not going to argue that it is a costly repair we are talking about. However, the numerous trucks I have ARP studded with OEM gaskets through the last couple of years seem to have held up quite well without further issues. More than a few that have been returning for regular maintenance have began to rust out the top threads of the exposed studs after being installed for a couple years, and now have in excess of 100K miles from the repair.
For what it's worth, any Ford/Motorcraft part installed on a vehicle at customer expense carries a 1 year/12K mile (20K kms.) warranty from the date of install at the very least. On major components like cylinder heads, you might have a 2 year/Unlimited mileage (or other unknown mileage) warranty on the part(s) and labour which is valid at any other Ford store.
For what it's worth, any Ford/Motorcraft part installed on a vehicle at customer expense carries a 1 year/12K mile (20K kms.) warranty from the date of install at the very least. On major components like cylinder heads, you might have a 2 year/Unlimited mileage (or other unknown mileage) warranty on the part(s) and labour which is valid at any other Ford store.
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As someone who has been stranded with an RV, it gets to be all about timing. Do you have the time to wait for the repairs? What would another truck cost? Does this ford dealer happen to have a comparable truck on their lot for sale? How much is it? Unless it has some sort of warranty, a used truck might just leave you right back where you started, but broke down in a different city. We decided to have ours fixed, drove it for a couple more years after that.
The only reason I would get rid of this truck, would be if you don't like it (other than leaving you stranded) for some reason. Looks like you like this truck, so 5k to repair it seems pretty good to me, especially if this is the first major repair. This is your second degas bottle for the same issue, so I'd say you've been on borrowed time for a while.
The only reason I would get rid of this truck, would be if you don't like it (other than leaving you stranded) for some reason. Looks like you like this truck, so 5k to repair it seems pretty good to me, especially if this is the first major repair. This is your second degas bottle for the same issue, so I'd say you've been on borrowed time for a while.
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Just a brainfart, but I now kind of wonder how much ARP has made in profits , just on the 6.0L diesel engine alone, never mind their fastener products for all the other engines. There was a time not too long ago, when supply of ARP studs was extremely scarce, causing prices of the few left over to skyrocket at that time.
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ARP 6.0 head bolts are made from the same material as the studs. How do I know you ask ? I asked the rep that came into the shop and he told me so. In my opinion I think the bolts would be the way to go and save money. They won't stretch anymore than studs
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Just a brainfart, but I now kind of wonder how much ARP has made in profits , just on the 6.0L diesel engine alone, never mind their fastener products for all the other engines. There was a time not too long ago, when supply of ARP studs was extremely scarce, causing prices of the few left over to skyrocket at that time.
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I don't believe arp makes head bolts for the 6.0, only head studs.
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Didn't the bolts stretch and cause this mess? What advantage does a stud have over a bolt and a bolt over a stud? If I don't plan on running a tuner, then staying with bolts should be sufficient?
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Stud the truck. It is money well spent.
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Factory (OEM) head bolts are made of different materials than ARP studs.
I have not heard that ARP makes head bolts for the 6.0L either. Even if they do, I doubt that a bolt would have the same clamping force as a stud - even if they are the same alloy.
I have not heard that ARP makes head bolts for the 6.0L either. Even if they do, I doubt that a bolt would have the same clamping force as a stud - even if they are the same alloy.
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The stud clamps the head to the block tighter than a bolt? Then, in theory, the stud is better? We don't need a repeat of this anytime soon, preferably not at all.