This doesn't look right, does it?
Fleet Owner
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From: Spanaway
I know that this is really late. But here is the TBS for fuel leak into
the cooling system
09-26-1*** 6.0L DIESEL FUEL IN ENGINE COOLANT DIAGNOSTICS - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 9/30/2008
If someone has not posted this before you may want to take a look so you
have an idea how they went about testing for the problem.
Hope that things are progressing smoothly for you.
Sean
the cooling system
09-26-1*** 6.0L DIESEL FUEL IN ENGINE COOLANT DIAGNOSTICS - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 9/30/2008
If someone has not posted this before you may want to take a look so you
have an idea how they went about testing for the problem.
Hope that things are progressing smoothly for you.
Sean
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From: Mesa,AZ
I was in and talked to bpd about my heads last month. I am told there is a tsb on how to determine where the cracks are with out pulling the heads. Also they said it is usually the passanger side thet gets the cracks which are in the head not the cups. They are testing a process to repair without removing the heads. I choose to pull my heads and the machine shop I use is the same one bpd uses. They pressure tested the heads and I had cracks near two different injector bores. They sent the heads to another guy who has done alot of R&D on the 6.0 heads apparently and has found a way to repair them and has done many with zero failures. the charge to me was 300 to repair the cracks. I think he bores it out and sleeves it but not sure. I did all the rest of the work myself and had the truck back up and running in a week for about 1k but I already had studs etc. Bpd said they would rather send the heads out and have them repaird then get new ones because the new ones could fail just a easily due to the fact there are no more new ones they are all remans. Also any orings etc in the cooling system should be replaced (water pump, thermostate etc) mine were all distorted. I was quoted 978.00 ea from auto nation for heads. When I was researching this.
Lead Driver
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From: Other side of the sunrise
Let me see, 12.6 hours. That would be close to $1300 in labor costs. then add the head, probably $1500 MAXIMUM per head... The math doesn't add up for me. Am I missing something? Maybe diagnostics?
Hotshot
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From: Stuttgart, Ar
That's why I asked if they included the price of the KY in the quote.
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From: Lake County, OH
Still have some worries about whats going to happen when they fire it back up. I plan on taking a very long non stop drive with it if I get it back tomorrow. If it survives that, I hope I'm good.
Thanks for all the support and well wishes, keeps me going.
Fred
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Are they charging you "book rate" for each additional item they figure needs replacement? In other words, are the considering each item's respective labor to access it, so you would be charged for removing the top of the engine several times???
I know the quote I got for my head wasn't really all that far from what you were quoted, but fortunately I had a relative working for a Ford shop that helped me out. But after looking at the TSB, I have to wonder what they're smoking.
I hope all goes well with your repair. Good luck, and GET HOME !
I know the quote I got for my head wasn't really all that far from what you were quoted, but fortunately I had a relative working for a Ford shop that helped me out. But after looking at the TSB, I have to wonder what they're smoking.
I hope all goes well with your repair. Good luck, and GET HOME !
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From: Lake County, OH
Are they charging you "book rate" for each additional item they figure needs replacement? In other words, are the considering each item's respective labor to access it, so you would be charged for removing the top of the engine several times???
I know the quote I got for my head wasn't really all that far from what you were quoted, but fortunately I had a relative working for a Ford shop that helped me out. But after looking at the TSB, I have to wonder what they're smoking.
I hope all goes well with your repair. Good luck, and GET HOME !
I know the quote I got for my head wasn't really all that far from what you were quoted, but fortunately I had a relative working for a Ford shop that helped me out. But after looking at the TSB, I have to wonder what they're smoking.
I hope all goes well with your repair. Good luck, and GET HOME !
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From: Phila, Pa
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From: Jackson, TN
They are using Fleet rate, whatever that is. I was wondering the same thing, are they hitting me for each part. 12.6 hour for the right head. I found a TSB about the cooling flush, that adds 4.3 hours. I'm trying to find the hours for the EGR cooler and the injector next. How can they do that anyway?? I know the mechanic has to be paid but if the EGR and injector are in the way, why charge me to R and R them????????? They sure are charging me enough for the parts.
They shouldn't be charging you any extra time to replace the egr cooler and injector, since they both have to come off to replace the head.
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From: Stuttgart, Ar
Many dealers give fleets a break on parts and labor, because they buy a lot of parts and/or bring in a lot of vehicles for service.
They shouldn't be charging you any extra time to replace the egr cooler and injector, since they both have to come off to replace the head.
They shouldn't be charging you any extra time to replace the egr cooler and injector, since they both have to come off to replace the head.
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From: Lake County, OH
Does anyone know of a site that lists Fords hours per part? I had no luck finding anything for the injector last night. I need a TSB or something that shows the R and R hours that Ford pays on. I'd like to find one for the thermostat too. I want to be able to print these out and take them to the dealer.
It's pretty obvious that they are adding up the hours per part and billing me accordingly. I don't think it's fair at all.
It's pretty obvious that they are adding up the hours per part and billing me accordingly. I don't think it's fair at all.
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From: Lake County, OH
Well, the truck is back. It was not a pretty situation at the dealership. Bottom line is that I got the long walk off the short plank. It was like I was a criminal, made to look like the bad guy. I did get some off the bill but it wasn't much. I paid and got outta there. I did do two test drives before paying. Runs better, temperatures are a bit high although it's almost 90 degrees outside. Deltas have a wide range, 2 to 9 degrees. They started to get lower the more I drove it. Still stinks, it isn't antifreeze smell, smells like oil. Hoping it goes away. AC isn't working too well either and it's steering like a Mack truck. The cleaning crew jacked up the front tire pressure to 80 pounds, I run 75. I hope lowering it helps.
Just get me home is all I ask.
I'll be offline for the next 2 or 3 days. Got a lot of ground to cover. Once I get home I intend to scan the invoices and post them for all to digest,tear apart and offer feedback.
Thanks everyone, all your support is much appreciated by me and my wife.
Talk to you this weekend
Fred
Just get me home is all I ask.
I'll be offline for the next 2 or 3 days. Got a lot of ground to cover. Once I get home I intend to scan the invoices and post them for all to digest,tear apart and offer feedback.
Thanks everyone, all your support is much appreciated by me and my wife.
Talk to you this weekend
Fred
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From: Florida
smell could be normal. I remember after working on mine I had some interesting smells, it all comes back to how careful the mechanic was. The a/c not working well. Look at the vacuum line on passenger side if it is disconnected it wiill get hotter in the cab