Jim's ongoing starter issues.
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i wont be much help on the factory parts end of things, but i am going to look through my resources for a racing starter that has adjustability for your application. i know they are available for other engines.
i wont be much help on the factory parts end of things, but i am going to look through my resources for a racing starter that has adjustability for your application. i know they are available for other engines.
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pedant
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Aaron,
Thank you for stopping in.
I know Tilton makes Superstarter's with an oversized billet flange that you need to machine.
I don't have the bux or the shop to do that.
Thank you for stopping in.
I know Tilton makes Superstarter's with an oversized billet flange that you need to machine.
I don't have the bux or the shop to do that.
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ya thats the crappy part about those beautiful high quality perfectly machined race parts....they dont give out for free 
everything i am coming up with has adjustability for the clocking of the motor but nothing to move the gear in or out.
everything i am coming up with has adjustability for the clocking of the motor but nothing to move the gear in or out.
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pedant
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Yeah, they make them so the solenoid doesn't foul the block or headers but the pinion shaft remains on the same axis.
I will see how much I need tomorrow and then try and find some parts to mix and match.
I will see how much I need tomorrow and then try and find some parts to mix and match.
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9tooth bendix
There is a 9tooth bendix for the Ford permanent magnet starter, but it's not for trucks. To go thru all this BS you must have the wrong ring gear or flywheel, sorry. That starter jury rig can work for a while if the flywheel is just too big. But, as you know, if the pitch is wrong, it will never mesh. Years ago Motorcraft dealers in eastern US had a huge batch of flywheels for Escorts that had the wrong pitch. Instead of recalling the flywheels they issued a TSB that had an updated bendix. The updated bendix had 9 teeth, Escorts always had 10 teeth. Hmmm.
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"Damit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a magician!" Just kidding, I'm not a doctor and the suggestion is kind of a long shot. But if you can find an electrical rebuilder in your area, talk to them. Tell them what you're going thru. The 9 tooth bendix occurs in a '91-'96 Escort or Tracer with a 1.8L eng. Somebody should be able to look up the starter via these reference numbers:
ACE CM-7004
AIM SG-00119R
BOSCH REMAN SR7519X
CPI KIT
DELCO REMAN 10465344
ELPAR 011603616
FAMILY FORD PMGR
FORD F0CF-11000-AA, F0CU-11000-AA, F0CU-11000-AB, F0CU-11001-AA, F0CU-11001-AB, F0FZ-11002-B, F4CU-11000-AA
FORD ENGINEERING F0CF-AA, F0CU-AA, F0CU-AB, F4CU-AA
J & N 410-14029
LESTER 3214
LUCAS REMAN S2908
MOTORCRAFT SA-779
PIC # 150-315
WAI 6653N
WAI (OLD) 2-1915-FD, 2-1918-FD-1, 50-219
WILSON NEW 91-02-5849N
But you don't have to buy the whole starter. The bendix reference #'s are
ACCURATE 4-356
AIM SG-0714
FORD F0FZ-11350-A, SD340
J & N 220-14018
PIC # 6150-356
SWS 11-2140
WAI 54-214, 54-214-1, 54-214-3
ZEN 1.01.0623.1
It's worth a shot cause it sounds like your almost out of options.
Kudos on the retro fit for the starter, use a big flat washer, not a star.
ACE CM-7004
AIM SG-00119R
BOSCH REMAN SR7519X
CPI KIT
DELCO REMAN 10465344
ELPAR 011603616
FAMILY FORD PMGR
FORD F0CF-11000-AA, F0CU-11000-AA, F0CU-11000-AB, F0CU-11001-AA, F0CU-11001-AB, F0FZ-11002-B, F4CU-11000-AA
FORD ENGINEERING F0CF-AA, F0CU-AA, F0CU-AB, F4CU-AA
J & N 410-14029
LESTER 3214
LUCAS REMAN S2908
MOTORCRAFT SA-779
PIC # 150-315
WAI 6653N
WAI (OLD) 2-1915-FD, 2-1918-FD-1, 50-219
WILSON NEW 91-02-5849N
But you don't have to buy the whole starter. The bendix reference #'s are
ACCURATE 4-356
AIM SG-0714
FORD F0FZ-11350-A, SD340
J & N 220-14018
PIC # 6150-356
SWS 11-2140
WAI 54-214, 54-214-1, 54-214-3
ZEN 1.01.0623.1
It's worth a shot cause it sounds like your almost out of options.
Kudos on the retro fit for the starter, use a big flat washer, not a star.
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Jim, when I get home Monday, I will pull out my spare PMGR starter and flex plate and get pictures and measurements for you. It was probably a NAPA rebuilt as everything else on the truck was.
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pedant
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Bill,
I have a brand new Delco rebuilt starter.
Arrived yesterday. Thank you Amazon+FedEx.
I gutted my failed Chinese starter and tried to figure it out.
Called over my buddy and we both looked at it from every angle we could.
Depth of mesh seems okay. (just misses the root of the teeth)
Took the new starter, slotted the lower hole, and tried it.
This places it over too far to engage the ring gear.
Workaholic,
The 9 tooth FOFZ-11350-A drive is listed in Archion's pdf.
Shown as 1.156" OD with the same 1.853" length and .469" ID as the rest.
So, it would engage .078" deeper than the 1" OD 10 tooth gear.
If this works I'll be eternally grateful.
I have a brand new Delco rebuilt starter.
Arrived yesterday. Thank you Amazon+FedEx.
I gutted my failed Chinese starter and tried to figure it out.
Called over my buddy and we both looked at it from every angle we could.
Depth of mesh seems okay. (just misses the root of the teeth)
Took the new starter, slotted the lower hole, and tried it.
This places it over too far to engage the ring gear.
Workaholic,
The 9 tooth FOFZ-11350-A drive is listed in Archion's pdf.
Shown as 1.156" OD with the same 1.853" length and .469" ID as the rest.
So, it would engage .078" deeper than the 1" OD 10 tooth gear.
If this works I'll be eternally grateful.
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pedant
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You can hear the starter clang (technical term) and then it labors to turn.
I moved it back to where it should be. Bolt centered in lower boss, and it turns the truck over but is noisy doing it.
I've been looking for more information regarding the bad ring gears mentioned by Workaholic.
I moved it back to where it should be. Bolt centered in lower boss, and it turns the truck over but is noisy doing it.
I've been looking for more information regarding the bad ring gears mentioned by Workaholic.
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Jim, try something. Disconnect the large 12V feed to the starter then use a push button remote to energize the solenoid on the starter. With this energised, move the starter to where it is tight against the ring gear, than back a small amount. Reconnect everything and try it and see if it is better. Matt alluded to a ring gear issue when he made the statement about Chinese Dorman flywheels.
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pedant
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I will try and bolt the starter down while engaged Bill.
I thought Archion made that comment about new production Chinese manufactured PMGR starters?
I found and bought the 336-1169 reman Delco starter he advised me too this time.
Damn ring gear is only $20 or so.
I thought Archion made that comment about new production Chinese manufactured PMGR starters?
I found and bought the 336-1169 reman Delco starter he advised me too this time.
Damn ring gear is only $20 or so.