Taurus Fan Installation
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If clearance is an issue, and the water pump pulley is the flat type, could the balance of the WP shaft be cutoff (that witch extends past the pulley toward the fan)?
My 300 has that cone shaped one that I am going to replace with a flat one.
Following closely & getting ready, pulled the T fan and two 3G's today.
Jon
My 300 has that cone shaped one that I am going to replace with a flat one.
Following closely & getting ready, pulled the T fan and two 3G's today.
Jon
I am trying to decide whether to use a Ford Contour dual fan and shroud. 3400 cfm, and it is only 3.3" thick at thickest point. The area between the fans will fit nicely at the w/p. It covers more rad. area too.
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When I was at the boneyard the other day I noticed that the later towncars had beefy looking dual fans on them. If I remember right the shrouds measured almost 30" by about 20". Maybe it's something else to worth looking at, but they sure looked like a pain to remove. The core support goes all the way around and they may need to come out from the bottom.
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A member asked for the illustration showing how to wire up a 3G alternator, so I thought I would post it here. Sorry it's a bit off topic, but anyone considering putting in a Taurus fan, or a MK V111, needs one of these 130 amp dudes.
You also need one of these guys:
You also need one of these guys:
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The more I toss it around, the more I think I'll go with the Contour fan. It only covers 17 sq. inches more of the rad., but I would hate to spend the $ for a Taurus fan and find it doesn't fit, or that I have to cut or grind down some of the netting supports.
If 3400 cfm can't cool my engine, then it is not going to get cooled, period. Also, it seems like having duals will direct the 'pull' of the air more directly on the rad., as opposed to having a 22" shroud with a 16" fan. Is the air movement just as strong in those areas not covered by the fan?
I thought I would wire them independently, that way if one fan fails, I could still limp home on one fan.
If 3400 cfm can't cool my engine, then it is not going to get cooled, period. Also, it seems like having duals will direct the 'pull' of the air more directly on the rad., as opposed to having a 22" shroud with a 16" fan. Is the air movement just as strong in those areas not covered by the fan?
I thought I would wire them independently, that way if one fan fails, I could still limp home on one fan.
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Yeah, I have fumbled around a bit with my Taurus fan.... I don't see it going in there without being seriously off center or destroying the fan. Granted I'm no master fabricator.
That being said, I need to go find me a 3.8 Taurus fan. Not one Contour I looked at last weekend had the dual fan set up. I was lucky with the Taurus I snatched the fan from; some body had dropped the motor out the bottom and raided what ever they needed. My shroud was sitting pretty unobstructed, needing only three screw loosened and a snip. Doubt I'll get that lucky with the Contour.
That being said, I need to go find me a 3.8 Taurus fan. Not one Contour I looked at last weekend had the dual fan set up. I was lucky with the Taurus I snatched the fan from; some body had dropped the motor out the bottom and raided what ever they needed. My shroud was sitting pretty unobstructed, needing only three screw loosened and a snip. Doubt I'll get that lucky with the Contour.
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Yeah, I have fumbled around a bit with my Taurus fan.... I don't see it going in there without being seriously off center or destroying the fan. Granted I'm no master fabricator.
That being said, I need to go find me a 3.8 Taurus fan. Not one Contour I looked at last weekend had the dual fan set up. I was lucky with the Taurus I snatched the fan from; some body had dropped the motor out the bottom and raided what ever they needed. My shroud was sitting pretty unobstructed, needing only three screw loosened and a snip. Doubt I'll get that lucky with the Contour.
That being said, I need to go find me a 3.8 Taurus fan. Not one Contour I looked at last weekend had the dual fan set up. I was lucky with the Taurus I snatched the fan from; some body had dropped the motor out the bottom and raided what ever they needed. My shroud was sitting pretty unobstructed, needing only three screw loosened and a snip. Doubt I'll get that lucky with the Contour.
You need to find a Pick Your Part location because this weekend they are having a 50% off sale. That means a T. fan for $15, or a Contour dual fan for $20! And make sure when/if you get the Contour fans that they don't charge you double the cost of a fan. All their prices are listed at each location. I called and they said they charge $27 for a fan and shroud, and then $11 for the extra fan. Take two relays with the fan off a Merc. Sable. They are for the T. fan, so you know they are high amp relays.
Good luck. I'll be doing the install this weekend. It's kind of cool with the Contour shroud. There is a recessed area where you can mount an adjustable controller, and it'll look oem.
The duals come on the 3.8 Contours. Get the one where both fans are mounted in one shroud, not independently. Warning: I've read that to remove the Contour fan, it takes at least an hour!!! And that you should bring a crow bar!! Make sure you get the wires up to the plug, and I like to get about 6 inches beyond that if I can.
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I'll be at the pyp early tomorrow. Due to space constraints, I'm going with a Contour fan. I'll pull it from the latest model I can find, making sure both motors are stamped Ford, Siemans. No Taiwanese flaming motors, pls.
I'll post photos of the wiring and process, including p.#'s, etc.
I'll post photos of the wiring and process, including p.#'s, etc.
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Bring a cordless sawsall.
It doesn't look like I'm gonna make it this weekend. Working tommorow, taking the kids to Monster Jam Saturday afternoon at the Big A, and I don't expect to feel like getting up early Sunday for Long Beach. Good luck.
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So where are the relays located in the original car? I was limited on time last week and didn't have a chance to find them.
Bring a cordless sawsall.
It doesn't look like I'm gonna make it this weekend. Working tommorow, taking the kids to Monster Jam Saturday afternoon at the Big A, and I don't expect to feel like getting up early Sunday for Long Beach. Good luck.
Bring a cordless sawsall.
It doesn't look like I'm gonna make it this weekend. Working tommorow, taking the kids to Monster Jam Saturday afternoon at the Big A, and I don't expect to feel like getting up early Sunday for Long Beach. Good luck.
The Monster Jam will be a blast for the kids. How dare life get in the way of car stuff!! Enjoy it.
I don't own a cordless sawzall, so I'll have to rough it. I'll post some photos soon of the radiator caper. I think this is going to be the third fan set up I've tried. Hopefully it will be the last.
Now I'm back from the yard. You don't know how right you were when you said to bring a sawzall!! Wow, was I unprepared! After cursing and skinning my knuckles a bit, I gave up. I have to have a hack saw or a sawzall, or forget it.
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Hey guys--
About the Ford Contour dual fans: I saw loads of Contours and Merc Mistiques with 2.5 engines, and the dual fan set ups. Are those the fans everyone is taking? I also read one guy mention a Mistique with a 3.8 and the same dual fans.
I'm taking a wild guess here and assuming that 3.8 fans are moving more cfms? Surely guys aren't using the fans from a 2.5 to cool bbc's?
It would sure help if guys who do the write ups would mention little things like this.
About the Ford Contour dual fans: I saw loads of Contours and Merc Mistiques with 2.5 engines, and the dual fan set ups. Are those the fans everyone is taking? I also read one guy mention a Mistique with a 3.8 and the same dual fans.
I'm taking a wild guess here and assuming that 3.8 fans are moving more cfms? Surely guys aren't using the fans from a 2.5 to cool bbc's?
It would sure help if guys who do the write ups would mention little things like this.
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How much clearance are you needing to run the Taurus or Mark VIII?
I would almost consider moving the engine/tranny back an inch to gain the full benefit of the Mark8 fan.
I have seen several post on the 'net of guys trimming the shroud down to gain some more clearance as well. You could easily trim 3/4" all the way around.
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I would almost consider moving the engine/tranny back an inch to gain the full benefit of the Mark8 fan.
I have seen several post on the 'net of guys trimming the shroud down to gain some more clearance as well. You could easily trim 3/4" all the way around.
Josh
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How much clearance are you needing to run the Taurus or Mark VIII?
I would almost consider moving the engine/tranny back an inch to gain the full benefit of the Mark8 fan.
I have seen several post on the 'net of guys trimming the shroud down to gain some more clearance as well. You could easily trim 3/4" all the way around.
Josh
Josh
I would almost consider moving the engine/tranny back an inch to gain the full benefit of the Mark8 fan.
I have seen several post on the 'net of guys trimming the shroud down to gain some more clearance as well. You could easily trim 3/4" all the way around.
Josh
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Thanks, Josh. I would LOVE to get my Mk8 fan in place! But I only have 3" from w/p pulley to rad. I already tried to trim the shroud as much as possible. With everything going on there, the only way I could use the mk8 would be to cut one of the 'ribs' in the support webbing so the pulley could enter the shroud a bit, and that is just a bit over the line into Mickey Mouse for me.
Have you posted a pic of your engine compartment? I don't understand how you engine could be that much closer to the radiator than mine... the FE and 300-6 use the same engine perches, but the 300-6 uses the first set of holes closer to the front than the FE which use the back ones.
There is about an inch or more clearance between the pulley and fan motor, the p/s pulley is a non-issue. I can easily slide the fan to either side of the radiator to gain more clearance one way or another. Right now it's centered.
Josh