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The folks at Hydratech say that you can get away with the "T" but ONLY IF you route the flow correctly. Here is their explainer diagram:
Note the direction of flow in relation to the "T" and the stated preference for dual return lines. Elsewhere on this site you will find more detailed references to this issue. This is what convinced me to run dual return lines into the "canned ham" reservoir of my Saginaw PS pump.
Here is a thread that we used to do a hydroboost on my Bronco. Used an Astrovan setup. Trying to figure out if its the same. May go this route. Hope it helps.
The folks at Hydratech say that you can get away with the "T" but ONLY IF you route the flow correctly. Here is their explainer diagram:
Note the direction of flow in relation to the "T" and the stated preference for dual return lines. Elsewhere on this site you will find more detailed references to this issue. This is what convinced me to run dual return lines into the "canned ham" reservoir of my Saginaw PS pump.
Originally Posted by Ruckin69
Here is a thread that we used to do a hydroboost on my Bronco. Used an Astrovan setup. Trying to figure out if its the same. May go this route. Hope it helps.
For those who haven't read up on the link yet, there's some very useful part numbers and fitting sizes in the links for the mid-90's Astrovan Hydroboost. It seems that the astrovan hydroboost worked well for the early Broncos... so I'm wondering how well it would do with our 73-79 trucks that are heavier...
In my case, stopping a 5200lb F250 isn't an easy task lol.
For those who haven't read up on the link yet, there's some very useful part numbers and fitting sizes in the links for the mid-90's Astrovan Hydroboost. It seems that the astrovan hydroboost worked well for the early Broncos... so I'm wondering how well it would do with our 73-79 trucks that are heavier...
In my case, stopping a 5200lb F250 isn't an easy task lol.
I actually found a 94 f450 hydroboost so I will probably go that route. But someone in here used the Astrovan as well. Search the thread.
Pump Question for Aftermarket Saginaw Hydroboost Reservoir
After a fruitless day at Pull-a-part I defaulted to throwing money at the problem and ordered an AGR Saginaw p-pump reservoir 962505, which has the necessary two inlets and purports to be applicable to Ford conversions. They specify it's for the AGR super pump ($$$) but I've seen elsewhere that they fit stock pumps as well. Image from manufacturer's website
Looking at online sellers, I can't see any difference between the available Saginaw pumps. Where listed, the sellers show that they are applicable for pretty much any Saginaw pump application across multiple car manufacturers.
Are there any pumps (without reservoir) that I should look for? That is, a pump for a specific Ford application rated to provide more flow or pressure than the average rebuilt pump, if that exists?
If it matters, I'm adding Hydroboost to a '77 F100 2WD that has a '96 351W swapped in. The 351 came out of an E150 and has a Saginaw pump fitted stock. I'm planning on using a Motorcraft BRB37 or equivalent Hydroboost unit, hooked into my existing (rebuilt) hydraulic assist steering gearbox. I'm ordering the Hydroboost unit rather than dig one out of the junkyard, though I did spend a bit of time looking for something suitable at Pull-a-part.
Once I get pump and reservoir in hand I'll let you guys know if they mate up properly.
You might want to pick up the BRB37 booster as quick as possible. Rock Auto no longer list it. Ryder Fleet says 38 days delivery. Tasca list it but they do not show stock status. It appears that the future is not good for the booster.
If I remember correctly (been at least 10 years) the 1982 chevy diesel 6.2 trucks came with a brake booster that also had a port for the steering.Brakes and steering worked great on that old diesel with 800,000+ miles, and the system was compact. If it wasn't raining this week I would look for one in the wrecking yard, just to see if it is what I remember!
After a fruitless day at Pull-a-part I defaulted to throwing money at the problem and ordered an AGR Saginaw p-pump reservoir 962505, which has the necessary two inlets and purports to be applicable to Ford conversions. They specify it's for the AGR super pump ($$$) but I've seen elsewhere that they fit stock pumps as well...
Once I get pump and reservoir in hand I'll let you guys know if they mate up properly.
Thanks,
Travis
I'm curious if you've got the pump and hydro unit hooked up and have any report on compatibility and performance. Pricing for these AGR Saginaw p-pump reservoir 962505 pumps that I see online seems quite reasonable (~$50)
I don't want to oversell where I am with this swap. I'm still gathering parts. I ordered the reservoir through JEGS in the middle of January and have contacted them three times because there hasn't been any shipping info yet. It's shipping direct from the manufacturer. They contacted the manufacturer yesterday and say that the manufacturer dropped the ball on their end and will expedite shipment.
I did get the BRB37 booster, ordered from Amazon.
Beyond that, I have a driveline swap to complete on my 65 Falcon before I start on the truck engine swap and brake upgrade. The engine shop is taking their time with the L6 200.
But I promise I will get back on here and let you know how it goes. And once I get the reservoir in hand I am going to get a pump and check how well it fits. I'll report back on that sooner.
I don't want to oversell where I am with this swap. I'm still gathering parts. I ordered the reservoir through JEGS in the middle of January and have contacted them three times because there hasn't been any shipping info yet. It's shipping direct from the manufacturer. They contacted the manufacturer yesterday and say that the manufacturer dropped the ball on their end and will expedite shipment.
I did get the BRB37 booster, ordered from Amazon.
Beyond that, I have a driveline swap to complete on my 65 Falcon before I start on the truck engine swap and brake upgrade. The engine shop is taking their time with the L6 200.
But I promise I will get back on here and let you know how it goes. And once I get the reservoir in hand I am going to get a pump and check how well it fits. I'll report back on that sooner.
So, I have a question. I've sourced the parts from 2 1997 F-Superdutys. One has the electronic switch in the front of the master cylinder, one does not. Not sure it matters. I'm assuming that takes the place of the switch in our distribution block, but the connector is different. I saw someone posted something about a dodge version that hooked right up to the harness. More detail on that would be great. I grabbed the lines like everyone said to do, but there are 180* bends on both ends and the 97 superduty has the steering box up front. so when I try to fit this line, the bends in the line make it difficult and the line seems to bind. The local speed shop said they can make the lines for me out of steel braid for about $25 a piece. I'm thinking that's the way to go. I need to get new lines for the front wheels and was going to go steel braid. So for a $100 I get the 2 front brake lines, and the 2 pressure lines for the hydroboost. I'm thinking that's a pretty fair deal. I'm kind of concerned because I bought a borgeson power steering pump with 2 returns. The serpentine belt system I also bought for my 400 doesn't like this pump. It wants me to use a saginaw that has a bolt on the back for a second support. I had to leave that off since this pump, which is saginaw style isn't the same setup. I'm thinking I'll have enough tension and with 7 ribs I don't think it will slip, but we'll see. I'm eliminating the manual fuel pump and putting a block off plate, so I thought about welding some flat strap to go to the bolt I do have on the back of the pump, but that would probably just make the fuel pump block off plate leak. I'm planning to use the modern MC from that 97 SD and I've got 4 wheel disc, so should be ok, I'm guessing. I know I should add proportioning valve to rear line, but what about the distribution block. Do I need to do something to it since it was for front disc rear drum before? I read something about drilling it out, and capping the residual pressure part. I would probably just buy a 4 disc block if that's the case. Thoughts?
I've seen most of the hydroboost builds in this thread. It's just been ages since I've read through them.
Last time I was at the junkyard, I yanked 2 hydroboosts. 1 hydro + MC from a 2006 F250 Diesel, and then just the Hydroboost from a 95 Astrovan.
Still debating on which one I want to use as a future braking upgrade.
Use the F250 booster. I used an Astro Van booster for some years. I had to cut off the eye that connects to the brake pedal, and weld on one that fit the ford pedal. I also had to use a spacer rod to connect the master plunger to the HB rod. That spooked me.
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