I didn't say the chart was incorrect. I said ignore it.

bry14661 asked what his payload should be for his vehicle. The chart doesn't help him answer his question. If he asked what the min and max payloads are for his model, the chart would be useful.

And your statement "Note that if you add dealer accessories ...." is incorrect.

You have to subtract the weight of all options, not just "dealer accessories".

Tim

 

DDL_CGY ... Reread your post and realized I misread it the first time. Your statement about subtracting dealer accessories from the door sticker is correct. My apologies.

Tim

 

OK sorry to revive this thread, but I looked at the payload sticker for a 07 Sierra SLT Crew w/Vortec Max pkg (7,300 gvw etc) and much to my surprise it was 1,787lbs. It was loaded, missing nothing. MRoof, big chrome step bars, leather, big tow mirrors etc... There is no possible way to configure an equivilant 09 SCrew Lariat+ and get a payload that high. Can you even get within 500lbs of that? Ford may be the "payload leader", but not on crewcabs.

 

The problem with the Ford is all the extra safty equipment. It's a great thing but it does take away from payload.

 

Sorry to drag this up, but I found this quote ironic. I've been hauling a little over 2500 pounds of landscaping block in the back of my 05 scab FX4 and the only thing that happens to ride height is the 1" stock rake levels itself out. The truck didn't squat and actually looked as if it had a leveling kit on it. Engineers put a factor of safety on everything (I am a structural engineer) and the truck isn't going to fall apart by putting 50lbs over the payload shown on the sticker. Common sense, though, goes a long way when driving overloaded. My "sticker" says roughly 1800lb payload and the truck is fully loaded with every option available (including tow package). It has the stock 18" FX4 rims with the factory tires.

The main thing I noticed was the brakes. It would be very risky if I needed to slam on the brakes to avoid an accident. In my opinion it is the brakes that would control the GVWR, but then again I don't work in the automotive industry. The suspension wasn't bottoming out and the motor was as strong as ever.

 

I started this thread back in February. Thought I would provide an update on my personal situation.

I love the new F150 and was really determined to buy one. After months of researching and wrangling about payload and towing capacities, including numerous email conversations with Ford engineers including Matt O'Leary (head of the F150/Expy program), I decided the F150 would not be suitable for my needs. For most situations, its probably a great choice, but for me, I determined I needed a bit more.

So... about 6 weeks ago I bought a new F250 Crew Cab. I was apprehensive about the size and the diesel, but its really been a pleasure to drive. The more I drive it, the more I am convinced I made the right decision for my situation.

My bottom line is this. Both are super trucks. The F150 is a hard working truck with great capabilities, super looks, and awesome features. The F250 is also a great choice for those who need it.

Whatever you end up with, know that you cant go wrong with either one.

Tim

 

that would be capable of towing a small two horse trailer with two horses and tack for a rodeo along with my husband, two kids, Great Dane, and me? We're in the market for a used towing vehicle. But, it sounds like the payloads in all the crew cabs drops so low that you can either fill the cab or tow a trailer, but not both. Seems kind of pointless to even offer the crew cab in the F-150. It looks like if I want to tow a couple of horses regularly with my family in the vehicle, then I'd be better off going with an SUV. The base model '06 Suburban 1500 (an Excursion may be close, but I haven't looked at their numbers) has a GVWR of 7000lbs, Payload of 1731lbs, towing capacity of 7500lbs, and curb weight of 5269lbs. I guess I'll start looking at SUV's and we'll just use our old truck for hauling dirty stuff. For that matter, I could get a used 2006 Tahoe with a 5700 lbs towing capacity(this could possibly be pushing the limit), 1522 lbs payload, and 6500lbs GVWR. I was looking at getting a used Ford truck, but now I'm thinking maybe I should go with a large SUV instead. The prices aren't too much of a difference, and we'd have a ton more room to ride in! I could even go up to the 2500 if needed. This has all given me a headache now after reading through most of the 20 pages of this stuff for the last couple hours, and I have to start over with vehicle searches!

 

I know someone who towed 2 horses, and they started out with an explorer, didn't work at all for them, they got an expedition, gave up on that, and finally just got a cummins diesel in a 2500, and they finally decided it would work, so I would imagine any SUV would not work unless it is on a 2500 or 250 frame.

 

Hate to **** anybody off, but my 2009 F250 diesel gets better mileage with a 6.4 twin-turbo engine than my 2008 F150 with the 5.4 ever did. Quieter, too. Hauls more in the bed, too.

I'll agree that a 5.4 in both the 150 and 250 will yield different mpg's.

 

Well this has been a very interesting Thread. I have read 90% and felt I should add my Truck's 'True' Weight.

I have 09 Platinum, SCREW, Loaded, 4X4, 5.5 bed, Sun roof, all power, power side steps, Nav, Tail gate Step, 20" Wheels.

The GVWR is 7200 (3900 Ft Axle, 4000 Rear Axle)
The Tread Act Sticker indicates I have a 1096 lb Payload. Ok that should mean my Truck weighs around 6104 lbs. (7200 - 1096 = 6104)

Okay the CAT Scales:

Weighed with me in the Truck (190#) and a Full Tank of Fuel (36 gal) and the ONLY ADDON to the Truck is a SOFT Toneau (maybe 20-40 lbs)

CAT WEIGHTS -
FT Axle - 3520
RR Axle - 2800
TOTAL Weght of Platinum is 6320 lbs (Full Tank and me )
So remember some of those mentioned 'curb weights' for the F150 4X4 Screw 5400 to 5500 ... well maybe my truck with NO OPTIONS

So lets do some math Actual Truck with out me in it (6320-190= 6130) and I said based on my 1096 Lbs Tread Stick and the GVWR my Truck must weigh around 6104 lbs. So that leaves (6130-6104=26 lbs) So my Soft Toneau must weigh around 26 lbs

I think the Ford Rep explained it (back on page 17 or so) - The RATINGS, All of them, are POTENTIAL Maxs. A Truck with NO options)

AND YES, I was discourage with the reality as well of such low Payloads on some of the Trucks. And my dealer also referred to the Towing Guides when I asked about towing capacity since a primary reason for purchasing this truck was to tow a Travel Trailer - a 'comfortable' Truck to tow a TT. Of course the Salesman showed me the 11,200 Towing, and 17,100 GCVW and I thought Great. They (salesman) didn't know or understand about Tongue weight or did and just didn't care about explaining the Realities to me. And of course I am to blame as well for Not investagating how Ford and all the others publish the numbers and for not understanding where the real weak link is relative to Towing a Travel Trailer and that's the Tow Vehicle's GVWR (7200# for me).

So I hope my 'real' weights add something to this thread and the understanding of the numbers.

PS - Ford's max towing (my F150 - 11,200) just refers to a conventional trailer and addresses the Trucks ability to get rolling a Trailer that weighs 11,200 lbs. It didn't say where the wheels were on that trailer. Perhaps on the 4 corners of the Trailer so their was no Tongue weight.

As someone said in this thread publishing MIN weights would be a little more honest. Or having the dealers/salepeople understand the numbers so when I explain to them that I am purchasing this F150 to tow a TT that they can explain to me that my real limit to what size TT I can tow is more controlled by the Numbers on that Tread Sticker and how many people will be in the truck, the cargo and what's left could be used for a trailer's tongue weight. And perhaps had they explained it honestly rather than giving me a 11,200 lb trailer that I absolutely never could pull without violating the Truck's GVWR ..... maybe they wouldn't have lost this sale, but got me looking at a F250. But instead, I own a big Truck, yes nice looking, that can't do the job (legally) that I bought it to do and that doesn't make me happy

Russ

PS the Tread Sticker on my wife's 07 Prius Hybrid is 881 pounds only 215 lbs less that the Big F150.