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Its not me or the motorcycles that are dangerous, its the idiots behind the wheel that aren't paying attention. You cannot deny that other drivers cause you to be at risk. Passenger vehicles almost always win the battle, though they're often in the wrong. I love biking nearly as much as sledding, but avalanche risks are much less than some texting/inatentive driver running me over. I will have a bike again, its just trying to determine the proper timing.
I love camping as well, but I am not much of a sitter arounder. Id rather be doing stuff at the lake then sitting in the camper looking out. I woudl also rather be in a camper at the lake then in the city haha.
I respectfully disagree with you sherm about the safety on a bike issue. Yes idiot cagers can be a huge risk, but only if your not paying attnetion as well. My XT600 has about 50 hp, and that thing was plenty quick and agile enough to get out of any situation, either by braking or gunning it and getting out of the way.
I stand by what I say, if ya know how to read traffic, you can see the people that are texting, or eating, or fiddling with their tuner/programmers instead of keeping their eyes on the roads.
As for snowmobile risks, I dont think they are dangerous, but I would argue that they are more dangerous then a bike. I would think the thing that makes them the most dangerous is the bumps and other crap hidden under the snow that one cant see, or those huge bumps that drifts seem to cover up, specially with that bright white snow color, and the way the sun reflects off of the snow!
Sheldon, we will agree to dissagree... I have been sledding since I can remember, and likely spent some time on one before I had the ability to remember. I have yet to have be on a trail or mountain and see someone smashed up without alcohol having been a factor. Even on the News, not too many deaths advertised by snowmobile. I did a quick google search, came up with this Snowmobiles
The laws of physics are simply against you. I have yet to see a 60klb semi on a mountainside, and there are fewer avalanches than there are transport trucks on the highway. I have had two close encounters with what could have been death or serious injury while on my motorcycle both narrowly escaping because I was highly alert. I have yet to be in a similar situation on my sled.
Agree that we dissagree?
Funny thing, I will argue till I'm blue in the face that motorcycles aren't dangerous. People are dangerous.
Im sorta the same Sherm, Ive been sledding since I could walk with my parents taking me along when I was a baby. Im guessing probably 30 years of sledding rght now. I have a picture of me on a sled riding when I was 5 years old, a 440 skiroule, which at the time was one of the hotter sleds out there!
Ive seen many accidents and you are right that alot of them are caused by alcohol, but speed and unseen "stuff" under the snow have probably been the leading factor from my experience. Specially on those super bright white days!
Im not sure where your going with the laws of physics, but if its the 2 wheels vs 2 skis and a track, then lets not forget inertia, and the fact that 90 percent of bikers are on some kind of road, where as 50ish percent of sledders are on snow, which most of the time isnt hard packed.
Ive yet to see a tree in the middle of the road, where 10 yards before that tree was a rock under the snow that was hidden in the snow, so one couldnt see it while he was doing 60 mph! Yes there are rocks on roads, but a guy can always seem em!
Gotta keep in mind that not everyone rides in the mountains as well, as sledders ride, well everywhere. Hell there is even guys that ride across lakes that can fall in, usually a few snowmobilers die like that every year.
We will agree to disagree but I can point out some flaws with the links ya posted regarding accidents.
The bike accidents in north america would be relative to the amount of people that ride bikes, vs the amount of people that ride sleds, which are considerabley less.
I agree with ya that people are dangerous, but if ya can read traffic, things go pretty easy.
In the past few years I have put on approximately 20,000 kms on bike, and there hasnt even been a super duper close call. Yes I have seen other drivers do stupid things, and yes I have done stupid things, but nothing that close.
I also know how to read traffic very well from driving a big truck, that probably has heped my "luck" out.
I will agree to disagree, but again, Im just sayin!