ha gave yourselves away. no ones heard of adire audio except some people on this thread that seem to have the same beliefs. i hope to actually do something with my life instead of creating cheap home ran subwoofer companies. im ignorant eh? i bet you didnt score a 1580 on your sat, or take college classes at 15. chances are i will be much more successful in my life . good luck with adire audio. hopefully it will actually be noticed!

 

>
>>
>.
>>
>>>guess what? im only 17 years old. im still in
>>>high school,
>>
>>I'm not too surprised by that. I admire your enthusiasm
>>however misguided it may be.
>
>so i guess the whole audio industry is misguided?? i dont
>think so
>

No, the audio industry, who aren't worried about customer returns from people misusing equipment, understand power handling.

You have to understand that they are protecting themselves. JL Audios site claims that you can't use only one VC on a DVC woofer. Most people realize that this is only to avoid liability, because the average user will not think about doing things like shorting the other coil, or using resistively damped operation, or even knowing that the power handling will be dropped in half. If you talk to they techs, they will swear that it is harmful, if you talk to the designers, and you let them know that you realize the effects of using 1 coil, they will concede that it is ok. Its not the argument here, but it is a case where the customer service techs don't know as much as the people behind the scenes.

>
>>
>>>your beating a dead horse buddy. you have no proof
>>>your case if done. how could you say you know more than the
>>>entire subwoofer industry?
>>
>>I'm not. The people who design subs agree with me.
>uh no they don't check out the links discussed earlier. only
>you adire crap agrees with you. by the way, someone needs to
>redo that website it does not look very professional.
>
>

Talk to the people who build the subs. E-mail eminence, credence, TC sounds, and FRC. Talk to the people who actually build the subs. Or, if you talk to Kicker, go beyond the customer service representatives.


>>
>>>and qualifications
>>
>>I have a degree and a stack of books on a shelf.
>
>name the degree, what school you got it from and when.

It is absolutely irrelevant. I don't need to prove myself in that respect.


>>
>>>to go against the sound industry.
>>>believe whatever you believe but keep it to yourself.
>>
>>If you like to be misled, you are heading down the right
>>path.
>
>what's next? are squirrels going to take over the world?

I doubt it, D-con will prevent that.


>>>and if
>>>your that passionate about your opinions go public.
>>
>>no need.
>really, im still puzzled that the manufacturers themselves
>disagree with you.

Only the ones worried about liability issues.

>
>
>>
>> just like how you can't sue somebody and
>>>expect the judge to on your word. you need proof, your
>>>friends arent proof.
>>
>>What kind of proof are you looking for?
>
>some evidence from a large corporation, not a home ran
>product line. your cheap websites don't even match up to the
>links that were up earlier. find something even worthy to
>compare and i will listen.

Is JL Audio a large corporation? Or is something the size of Harman the only thing that will work?

 

>Bedtime for you little boy

hahaha so funny! this little boy is more mature than you.

>atleast im the funniest person in the world

you are the most worthless person in the world. get a life.

 

>name the degree, what school you got it from and when.

That is not at issue here. He can make complex equations in his head most people (yes even people with degrees) need thier computers for. It's unfortunate that you obviously have nobody like that around to show you the light.

>really, im still puzzled

Yes you are and you will remain that way until you expand your narrow mind

>some evidence from a large corporation, not a home ran
>product line. your cheap websites don't even match up to the
>links that were up earlier. find something even worthy to
>compare and i will listen.

http://adireaudio.com/

not www. go try it again. While you are there take a look at the Brahma, it has all the performance of the JL W7 at a much lower cost to the consumer. It actually has better SPL capability. Also look at the Tumult. Now tell me thier equipment doesn't impress you.


I myself bought one of Dave's "cheap home ran company" products. I bought a Lambda Acoustics PB15 for my vehicle (yes I know you never heard of Lambda Acoustics, it's not a "large corporation") The PB15 was, at the time I bought it, possibly the best sounding subwoofer you could buy, and at $199 it was fairly cheap. If you would expand your horizons a little to include real inovators in the industry you would find yourself in equipment that makes the "big corporation" equipment look laughable, especially at thier huge prices.

BTW it's now past your bedtime.

 

rbrendel,

just keep quiet and wait for Randawg to get his tech paper. Once he gets it, you don't want to be sharing the same hole to dig yourself out of. Like I said, you are very dedicated to defending randawg, that is not a good thing in this case.

 

>hahaha so funny! this little boy is more mature than you.

Most likely true

>you are the most worthless person in the world. get a life.

Also true, I do work at Wal-Mart afterall

 

>ha gave yourselves away. no ones heard of adire audio except
>some people on this thread that seem to have the same
>beliefs. i hope to actually do something with my life
>instead of creating cheap home ran subwoofer companies. im
>ignorant eh? i bet you didnt score a 1580 on your sat, or
>take college classes at 15. chances are i will be much more
>successful in my life . good luck with adire audio.
>hopefully it will actually be noticed!

If ignorance is bliss, you lead a very content life.

I didn't have a license at 15, so I'm afraid that wasn't possible. You are correct about the SAT, I never took it. I only took the ACT.

Have you ever even attended a car audio event? Have you ever looked at a car audio forum of any type? Adire is established and respected. If you don't know about them, you need to get out.

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 01-10-03 AT 10:15 PM (EST)]just for the record, what is your relation to honkeywhatever and the other new users on the site? i would like to know, tell me that and ill shutup. just curious.

how did you get away without taking the sat? that is required to get into most colleges. i worked at an audio and security store this summer as an installer, never heard of it. i will keep my ears open though.

 

I don't want you to shut up. That isn't my purpose for being here. I am here because Randawg called me out. I'm not sure where he is, but he seems to have left you hung out to dry.

If we could only get you to read the threads, it would help you out tremendously. Read the one from true audio thoroughly, it has some good info about DF.

Like I said, once you get your foot out of your mouth and open your mind, you may do ok in the audio world.

 

The ACT is the equivalent of the SAT and every major university will accept it.


>how did you get away without taking the sat? that is
>required to get into most colleges. i worked at an audio and
>security store this summer as an installer, never heard of
>it. i will keep my ears open though.

 

ok, rbendel u are way out of ur league here. u said ur 17, so am i. u worked at an audio store over the summer, good for u im sure u learned a lot about car audio. i worked at a garage/bodyshop over the past 2 summers, does that make me an ASE certified tech? no, and it doesnt make u an audio tech either. adire audio, specifically brahma has been to numberous comps (and not ur average town comp) i mean national events and have done excedingly well. as did Elemental Designs, Digital Designs, Resonant Enginiering, Shocker,Treo, ONYX and others i cant remember at this time. and they are all 10x better than what u own, and have been introduced to. based on ur facts that adire is a rip off, u are 100% WRONG. as for this issues its old and more than enough people have supplied answers stating that underpowering wont kill a sub unless its clipped signal. enought with this bickering, its pointless over the internet.

 

If RC has so much faith in his arguments, why doesn't he make them public? Publish them on his site and then we can all view them, with the rest of the industry. Why should you seek only to change my mind? Who am I? Go first to debunk the so called 'myth' that you call it. I am not out to change the world, you apparently are. I could not care less. If RC has something he wants to say, put in on his site, and then you 'followers' come back here and post the link for the rest of the community to inspect. I'm sure atleast one physicist would love to be informed. Why would he want to hide this research? Maybe that's why they have never been published by RC in the first place. Maybe RC could not handle being debunked by some truly respected physicists. I certainly cannot rule out this possibility.

Secondly, why would a manufacturer fabricate such a claim? Either they DO make the claim to sell more powerful amps or they DON'T make the claim in order to sell more replacement speakers. Either way its monetarily driven. It's obvious that the manufacturer would make this claim to protect themselves from looking like manufacturers of garbage. If they don't make this claim in order to sell more speakers, due to the last ones they sold being blown, they will quickly become regarded as manufacturers of garbage. If their speakers are blowing, then they need to make public why. Else they will lose money. Therefore, I would side with the manufacturers even w/o technical analysis. Which, by the way, backs up my stance.

Thirdly, just because you come here and say, "oh you're wrong because I say you're wrong." Or, "you're wrong because I have a sub that didn't blow when underdriven." is no argument for your case. I never said your sub is guaranteed to blow when underpowered. And until you can give me good sound reason why I am wrong, we have nothing further to discuss. Furthermore, you are not going to draw me into ridiculing you and your ridiculing me doesn't do much for your creditability.

Moreover, I never brought into discussion these extreme cases that you guys keep bringing up. I have stated that this is NOT a 'hard-n-fast rule.' There are many instances when this rule does not apply. Like the ones RC pointed out. No, 20 watts will not blow a 200 watt sub. No, 500 watts probably will not blow a 1600 watt sub. However, 200 watts can and did blow a 300 watt sub. This is the discussion, this is the question I put to you in the beginning, and this is the heart of the matter that people that come to this forum are interested in. If they were serious competitors, most likely, they will not have FTE as their only source of info and will not be posting questions like, "is this amp right for this sub?". People that come to this forum with these types of question deserve the advice given by the accepted audio engineering community and they shall get it. You guys that think you're innovators can go do business somewhere else as soliciting is NOT ALLOWED here at FTE and this is enforced strictly. So, either state a reasonable case in a scientific manner that supports your case logically and debunks the manufacturers' and/or mine, or be gone with you.

 

>just for the record, what is your relation to honkeywhatever
>and the other new users on the site? i would like to know,
>tell me that and ill shutup. just curious.
>
>how did you get away without taking the sat? that is
>required to get into most colleges.

Short term memory? My user name is right there and it's fairly easy to remember. Tell you what, just so you don't get confused in the future, call me H. Is that easier?



Here is the story of how I know Dave:

Once upon a time there lived a little monkey named Honkey. He was a misguided little monkey that used to only believe what his local car audio shop told him. He bought into thier crap and did everything just as they told him he should. Little did he know that the way they wanted him to do things sucked. Enter Dnewma04, audio genious and master chef. Dave began explaining to Honkey the error of his ways, soon Honkey realised that much of the information he had received was CRAP and that he had spent alot of money on mediocre equipment. Within a few months Dave had Honkey back on track and Honkey's car sounded better than ever. Sadly, Honkey died a few days later when he tried jumping off his balcony into the dumpster thinking it was a good shortcut. It would have been but his place was a 30th story apartment. The End.

So you'll shut up now right?

 

thanks, but i have bigger plans in my life, i will eventually attend law school, and than practice it. the "audio world" is not a very smart thing to invest futures in because of the unstable economy we live in at this period of time. this thread will probably never have an end to it, no matter how much evidence is thrown out the subject will remain controversial. no and im not hanging on randawgs jock, i have argued this subject before, for now i will stick to my opinion, i sent an email to kicker telling them to give me a technical explanation on the subject. i will post it and im sure it will be criticized.

 

[updated:LAST EDITED ON 01-10-03 AT 10:34 PM (EST)]Randawg,

People on this site obviously look up to you, probably because you are obviously intelligent, albeit a bit bull-headed. I think you practically OWE it to poor rbrendel if nothing else, to read the paper that RC is offering. He is making himself look particularly bad trying to back you up on this.

So if you don't want to learn yourself, at least give it the benefit of the doubt for the people who look up to you.