Damn right!!! Have you seen the price per bushel of corn and soy beans lately? Before too long the normal person won't be able to aford groceries.

 

Wow, someone does finally get it. Nothing is as cheap as fossil fuel, end of story.

Take all the money spent to date on alternative fuels and provide permitting and tax breaks to Big Oil (yep help them help us, they won't do it for free, everyone ought to know that by now, unless you live in a communist country, this is how it works) allow them to build state of the art refineries. Increase domestic production and supply, demand less of imported oil and the price will go down.

 

The problem is hardly any communities want a refinery in their area. Hell, if they put one in my back yard I really wouldn't care. As long as the price came down.

 

shat i will call a survey crew tommorow, they can throw it up right in my backyard. anything to have less grass to mow. bring it exxon! Dan

 

And will the price really come down?

Anyone guarantee that?

IF it does, most of us will be long dead and buried.

 

Yep, that is another problem.

Some people, (well actually just about everyone on this site) don't understand how much like the human body the oil and gas sector really is. Drilling rigs run off of diesel which is produced from oil. Diesel is a distillate of crude oil, which before al gore invented the internet or won a nobel peace prize had no limit or restrictions, thus making it the cheapest form of fuel from crude that is of the light sweet form, heavy tar is much much different. (diesel = cheap power) Then once the rig jumps to the next pad, you either have oil or gas. In the case of oil, there is always vapors of gas on the oil. So you use a natural gas powered triplex pump to pump the oil down the pipeline. In the event of gas, well, gas powered compressors pump it down the piepline. Natural gas at the wellhead is not subjected to market speculation, as if used for fuel gas, it is not counted as marketable supply anyway. Once you get to the refinery, you get gasoline from the higer and lighter oils, condensate or ngls included, then kerosene, jet fuel, waxes, lube oil base stock, diesel, then asphalt and finally coke. Anything that is left over in the way of vent gas or refinery gas is used to fire the boilers. Rain, snow, sleet hail, has no effect on producing wells, unlike farmers crops which yeilds are directly proportionate to the above mentioned weather. I would suspect algee would fall into this catagory as well, maybe not.

All in all, the reason we are hooked on it, is the fact that nothing else is as economical and cheap to replace it with.

 

Well nothing is ever gaurenteed, you ought to know that by know. However, everyone here on FTE, that has reponded to any number of these threads, wishing for the government to step in and do soemthing, ought to look at what the government is currently doing. The fact that AZ has been trying to build a new refinery for 20+ years ought to shed some light as to how much the government is really interested in helping us. The government wants to back charge $30 billion dollars in royalties for oil and gas leases in the gulf from 95 to 98. Now how many of you well educated FTE members think that the government is actually going to use the $30 billion for something useful? How many of you well educated FTE members think that if Kerr McGee has to pay this back that we won't have that cost passed on to us?

 

One other thing not mentioned, what about all the other products that cannot be produced from anything other than crude? We still have not come up with an answer for motor oil, jet fuel, kerosene, wax, aspahlt, and a large number of other products that are refined from crude.

 

I still hate the fact that we are still dependant on foreign oil from such an unstable part of the world. If we could someday get to the point of depending on only ourselves great and I'm all for it.

 

Heck,

With 5 people here, I can hardly afford groceries now. It's a good thing that some stores are close by (walking distance) for the small stuff.

 

i thought tar sands bitamen was proccessed for heavy crude was used for diesel an furnace oil

 

The oil companies could sell gas for $1/gal and STILL make tons of money every year. *******s!

Me...I'll be driving my motorcycle to work during the week, and only using the truck when I need to haul something (or if it rains...)

 

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Then the next clip goes to...House yanks Oil Company's tax breaks..Oil company's say fine everyone will pay thorough there nose at the pumps..

I do not see anyone in Washington that is doing anything about it.
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"When gas hits $4.00/gallon---$5.00/gallon---and more, and it will,
what are you willing to give up to pay for it?"

I'll just switch to using my Harley and finish putting my BMW R90 back on the road. I don't go in debt for trucks, so they can sit if not needed for anything that won't pay for their use. REALLY high gas prices may get some of the "cages" off the road and spur more motorcycle use. No problem either way.

If it gets insane, time to put a one-lunger diesel into a dual purpose bike chassis!

 

I am seriously thing about getting a small motorcycle like a 400cc size to go back and forth to work..