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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:48 AM
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I am not sure, I know he lives in fargo, not sure where he is from though. maybe he thinks Fargo is far enough east that he isnt affected.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by monsterbaby
And a territory is different from a state which makes it outside the US official border.
I never heard of, or read anything inre to a US territory within the actual borders of the US ever being refered to that way.

Even tho the border territories that comprised: WA, ID, MT, ND, AZ & NM weren't states till 1889 and later, they're still shown within the border on US maps from at least 1860.

The Marshall Plan was formulated in the US, but implemented by the United Nations, not just the US. The first meeting of what became the UN was held in San Francisco in 1946.

Wind River = Arapaho Reservation
 

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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 02:09 AM
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So... after all the comments I've read here.... and elsewhere, about this thread... nobody knows what they're talking about eh? Interesting. And I didn't realize I was stereotyping the poor wo begotten Mr Ho. ( Not that the comment was directed at me, that I'm aware of.)

Personally, after reading all the drunk talk from others, bragging about what booze they like and bragging their blood level is 90 proof... I can't see any reason to stereotype unless one is going to include ones self.

I used to be a heavy guage beer drinker, when I was young as most of you whippersnappers. Since I only have ocaissional drinks now, a good sniff of a bottle cap starts me right off great.

So... has anyone heard anything more on the great Lakota sessesion? I haven't heard a thing on "mainstream" TV NEWS about it.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cmpd1781
Oh I'm sure you're sure what you typed.....Are you sure that this was the origin of the 'Indians'?.....the land bridge from Siberia?......Why chuck the argument that they sailed across the Pacific from points unknown like the Polynesians did to Hawaii and to other islands?......Is the 'land bridge' accepted fact of the origins?

Columbus may have been looking for India and had thought that he found India, but I refuse to jump on the bandwagon that shrugs off his accomplishment with a "he was lost" quip. I defy anyone here to jump on board one of them 80' or 90' caravals in 15th century Europe and sail into the unknown across the Atlantic.......Ever seen that ship (replica) close up?
Scholars agree that the land bridge was the most likely source of the native tribes. Recent DNA studies have linked Asians to some native tribes. What tribes? Dunno...the story was in the LA Times recently, but I only glanced at it. I have more than enough to read as it is. Last count = over 300 unread (non fiction) books, with more arriving weekly. My library comprises over 30,000 books, which makes it one of the largest private libraries in the US.

Polynesians settling in the Americas?

Maybe...but..where's the actual proof?

I've also read that some of the "Lost Tribes of Israel" settled in the Americas.

Columbus had no idea where he was (his crew was ready to mutiny) till he made land fall at what later became Hispaniola. And...Columbus only "discovered" America for 15th century Europeans.

Long before Columbus made his "discovery," there were the Vikings, who established colonies along the Eastern Seaboard. Besides, ppl had been living in the Americas for well over 10,000 years before Columbus arrived.

I've never seen a reproduction of a Spanish Caraval in person, but I know ships and history of shipbuilding, which I have been studying since the early 1950's. I'm a US Naval & Maritime historian. I first became interested, when as a lad, I learned that my family owned a shipyard in Sturgeon Bay, WI from the 1870's thru the late 1940's. btw: My great uncle invented the shipping container.

I've seen, in person, well over 200 historic ships at Maritime Museums in North America, Europe and Asia. The oldest: Henry VIII's flagship, the Mary Rose.
 

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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Wind River = Arapaho Reservation
Wind River reservation is Northern Arapaho and Shoshone tribes, both of whom were partially displaced by the westward movement of the Sioux.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by clux
Wind River reservation is Northern Arapaho and Shoshone tribes, both of whom were partially displaced by the westward movement of the Sioux.
Sorry, my bad...I forgot about the Shoshone sharing the reservation.

No excuse is possible, because I've been to Wind River....

..and Yellowstone, Cody, Thermopolis, Sheridan, Buffalo, Ranchester, Hole-in-the-Wall (near Kaycee), the site of the Fetterman Massacre, the Wagon Box Fight site...etc.
 

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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 09:32 AM
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I usually make it down to Thermopolis once or twice a year, my mothers parents live there. Nice little town.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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This nation we call Canada, incorporated in the year 1867, subjected an entire generation of Indian children to systematic sexual and physical abuse. That these people today live in squalor and poverty and cope with high rates of violence, suicide and substance abuse shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone familiar with basic human psychology.

When I lived in Alberta, the stereo-typical drunken Indian was a common sight. And incest on Indian reservations is an open secret. Bt there area also Indian reservations around Montreal. And these communities do not have a serious drug or alcohol problem. They do all sorts of things from running casinos to working on skyscrapers in New York City. Indians are well known in the construction trades for not having any fear of heights.

I think history explains the difference. The French who settled Quebec in the 1600s were missionaries, not capitalists. They paddled up the St Lawrence river and built churches from Quebec to the Ohio Valley. Converting the Indians to Christianity, learning the Indians languages and customs, learning to live off the land. Long before there was a Federal Government of the United States or Canada.

Pushing the Indians onto reservations didn't really begin until the United States and Provinces of Canada gained their independence from England, established Federal Governments, and began growing as a nation. When we were no longer an outpost of Europe, but nations in our own right, free to carry out our own ambitions.

Canada's lasting shame is sending generations of Indian children to live in residential schools where many of them died from systematic neglect and abuse.

Rape, murder, torture, neglect were the norm and many children died. How many or from what cause is not known because often death certificates were falsified to cover up the criminal acts of the administrators.

We joke about pedophile priests, because the Church has taken the fall and accepted responsibility for the manner in which they ran the government's orphanages and residential schools. But read between the lines and it's the government who knew what was happening in these schools, who funded these schools, who established these schools and the policy of assmiliation. And it was the government who ignored what was happening, because it was having the desired effect. Destroying the Indian's culture and their spirit as a nation. And with it their ownership of the land.

A century later, we still use rape and violence to get what we want. Because it works. Anyone whose had a brush with the law knows what happens in prison. If you don't do as the man tells you, he can take away your children. Put them in somebody else's home where they can be abused. In war zones there are rape rooms where the enemy is paraded around in their underwear, forced to sodomize one another. It sends a message. This is what happens if you cross the man and his government. Stay out of our way or we will **** you in the *** forever and your family will never hear from you again.

We should sympathize with the Indians, because they are victims of the Federal Government, and the Federal Government is a criminal enterprise, from Waco to the rape rooms in Iraq. Not to be trusted.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 10:47 AM
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I should ask first, are you takling about the US Army, or the enemy? (you didnt make it that clear)

Have you been to Iraq? I have. Sure, there are some sickos, but that isn't SOP. The people that did it were punished and a lot of them are no longer in the Army.

But, if you were talking about our enemies, then disregard what I just wrote.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by joshdvirnak
I usually make it down to Thermopolis once or twice a year, my mothers parents live there. Nice little town.
When I was there in 1990, the Holiday Inn had a room called the Safari Club.

After seeing all the mounted animal heads and racks on the walls, someone keep a taxidermist pretty busy. They're not just from the US, but from all over the world.

The downtown area is what I love about small town America = preserved.
 

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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 11:10 AM
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I think I know what you are talking about, theres a ton of nice stuff there, some really beautiful animals
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by websthes
We should sympathize with the Indians, because they are victims of the Federal Government, and the Federal Government is a criminal enterprise, from Waco to the rape rooms in Iraq. Not to be trusted.
Before anyone criticizes how the Iraqis were treated, they should read the following:

Prisoners of the Japanese - POW's of WWII in the Pacific, by Gavan Daws. (Quill Publishing) ISBN: 0-668-14370-9

Abject horror personified.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Before anyone criticizes how the Iraqis were treated, they should read the following:

Prisoners of the Japanese - POW's of WWII in the Pacific, by Gavan Daws. (Quill Publishing) ISBN: 0-668-14370-9

Abject horror personified.

Point taken Bill.

But wrongdoing of the past in no way justifies wrongdoing in the present.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 11:59 AM
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Of course it doesnt justify it, but its war and it does definately put it in perspective. The iraqis have it easy, too easy if you ask me.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by websthes

I think history explains the difference. The French who settled Quebec in the 1600s were missionaries, not capitalists.
Did they give away the furs that they trapped? They were missionaries, but they were certainly capitalists as well.



Originally Posted by websthes
Rape, murder, torture, neglect were the norm and many children died. How many or from what cause is not known because often death certificates were falsified to cover up the criminal acts of the administrators.
While that may be, and probably is true, you cannot state these as causes and in the same sentence state that the causes are unknown.

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We joke about pedophile priests, because the Church has taken the fall and accepted responsibility for the manner in which they ran the government's orphanages and residential schools.
Is this referring to the Canadian Government? The U.S. Gov't. is and was independent of the church. And personally, I don't find too much that's funny about pedophile priests.
Originally Posted by websthes
A century later, we still use rape and violence to get what we want. Because it works. Anyone whose had a brush with the law knows what happens in prison. If you don't do as the man tells you, he can take away your children. Put them in somebody else's home where they can be abused. In war zones there are rape rooms where the enemy is paraded around in their underwear, forced to sodomize one another.
If you are going to make such a statement as this, I think you need to show at least a little something to back it up. This is no minor indictment and really requires some sort of evidence if it is to be considered at all.
 
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