BTS Valve Body
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From: North of Greenville
Monster, all I can say is that I guess I'm glad that I haven't needed (or been able) to pursue the direction of tranny work yet. I appreciate your straight shooting on this issue. I won't ask you to either bash BTS in public or do tranny work for me, but if and when I do pursue tranny performance issues, I'll PM you and we can talk about it offline.
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From: Cincinnati, Ohio
Originally Posted by monsterbaby
The newest one that transgo has come out with is the one I am thinking I want to try out for use in our trucks it's the 4R100HD2 tugger. but the one that Brian is using is I believe the E4OD HD2 or the SK E4OD(4R100) not sure, I know I have the BTS VB in my truck when I got it I looked close and then picked up teh E4OD HD2 kit for another guys trans and compared them and what they are for changes including measuring everything and it's identical with the exception of the one I did for the other truck and installed works better then the one Brian did as now I have reverse delay that I never had before and the one I put into the other truck doesn't have it.
The tugger kit seems to be more for working trucks increasing the holding power of the 1st gear clutches for take offs and increased holding power.
F250 I have a lot to say about him and his goodies but most times have kept my mouth shut until now but it's time for it to come out. he won't pay to be a sponsor on this site and is scamming an I just can't tolerate it anymore.
he does a decent job of building a transmission I won't take that away from him but most of his rep is built on deciet, misconceptions, and outright lies so I don't care if he is the best or not if he is decietful I don't trust him to change spark plugs in my lawn mower.
The problem is most dont' say anything cause frankly most people don't know much about auto's and they are a mystery to many but fact is they are pretty simple (actually easier than a manual to rebuild) but he is praying on that mystery when it's not neccesary just be honest and to a good job and I will back you, lie about it and I will be against you. I do actually know something about building transmissions, I am ASE, and ATRA certified on transmissions as well as a couple of other schools and have been building race trannies for a long time. No I don't want business I don't want to build your transmissions I am not trying to do anything like that I ahve a job and don't want the time or headaches just don't like con artists period.
The tugger kit seems to be more for working trucks increasing the holding power of the 1st gear clutches for take offs and increased holding power.
F250 I have a lot to say about him and his goodies but most times have kept my mouth shut until now but it's time for it to come out. he won't pay to be a sponsor on this site and is scamming an I just can't tolerate it anymore.
he does a decent job of building a transmission I won't take that away from him but most of his rep is built on deciet, misconceptions, and outright lies so I don't care if he is the best or not if he is decietful I don't trust him to change spark plugs in my lawn mower.
The problem is most dont' say anything cause frankly most people don't know much about auto's and they are a mystery to many but fact is they are pretty simple (actually easier than a manual to rebuild) but he is praying on that mystery when it's not neccesary just be honest and to a good job and I will back you, lie about it and I will be against you. I do actually know something about building transmissions, I am ASE, and ATRA certified on transmissions as well as a couple of other schools and have been building race trannies for a long time. No I don't want business I don't want to build your transmissions I am not trying to do anything like that I ahve a job and don't want the time or headaches just don't like con artists period.
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From: Punta Gorda, Florida
Originally Posted by monsterbaby
The newest one that transgo has come out with is the one I am thinking I want to try out for use in our trucks it's the 4R100HD2 tugger. but the one that Brian is using is I believe the E4OD HD2 or the SK E4OD(4R100) not sure, I know I have the BTS VB in my truck when I got it I looked close and then picked up teh E4OD HD2 kit for another guys trans and compared them and what they are for changes including measuring everything and it's identical with the exception of the one I did for the other truck and installed works better then the one Brian did as now I have reverse delay that I never had before and the one I put into the other truck doesn't have it.
The tugger kit seems to be more for working trucks increasing the holding power of the 1st gear clutches for take offs and increased holding power.
F250 I have a lot to say about him and his goodies but most times have kept my mouth shut until now but it's time for it to come out. he won't pay to be a sponsor on this site and is scamming an I just can't tolerate it anymore.
he does a decent job of building a transmission I won't take that away from him but most of his rep is built on deciet, misconceptions, and outright lies so I don't care if he is the best or not if he is decietful I don't trust him to change spark plugs in my lawn mower.
The problem is most dont' say anything cause frankly most people don't know much about auto's and they are a mystery to many but fact is they are pretty simple (actually easier than a manual to rebuild) but he is praying on that mystery when it's not neccesary just be honest and to a good job and I will back you, lie about it and I will be against you. I do actually know something about building transmissions, I am ASE, and ATRA certified on transmissions as well as a couple of other schools and have been building race trannies for a long time. No I don't want business I don't want to build your transmissions I am not trying to do anything like that I ahve a job and don't want the time or headaches just don't like con artists period.
The tugger kit seems to be more for working trucks increasing the holding power of the 1st gear clutches for take offs and increased holding power.
F250 I have a lot to say about him and his goodies but most times have kept my mouth shut until now but it's time for it to come out. he won't pay to be a sponsor on this site and is scamming an I just can't tolerate it anymore.
he does a decent job of building a transmission I won't take that away from him but most of his rep is built on deciet, misconceptions, and outright lies so I don't care if he is the best or not if he is decietful I don't trust him to change spark plugs in my lawn mower.
The problem is most dont' say anything cause frankly most people don't know much about auto's and they are a mystery to many but fact is they are pretty simple (actually easier than a manual to rebuild) but he is praying on that mystery when it's not neccesary just be honest and to a good job and I will back you, lie about it and I will be against you. I do actually know something about building transmissions, I am ASE, and ATRA certified on transmissions as well as a couple of other schools and have been building race trannies for a long time. No I don't want business I don't want to build your transmissions I am not trying to do anything like that I ahve a job and don't want the time or headaches just don't like con artists period.
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Someone has had a bad day! 
I agree, building transmissions is not hard at all to do. I think that the top transmission builders all put out about the same product, for nearly the same cost. It's all about customer service which gives him alot of business. You may not like him due to him not giving you good customer service, however he has given me (and alot of FTE as well, including other sites) great service that most local transmission builders won't give you. When i took my truck down there to get the transmission built, he built it and installed it. Took it for a test drive, and the TC did not lock. Pulled the pan, changed a new sensor pack back out, and then test drove again. Still a problem. Pulled the transmission at 7:30 at night, removed the front pump and found a valve to be sticking, not touched by BTS however bad from Ford. He replaced it with a new one, at 10:00 we went out to dinner and he bought me and my father dinner and turned down my offer to buy dinner. Said sorry about the delay and i went on my way.
I agree, building transmissions is not hard at all to do. I think that the top transmission builders all put out about the same product, for nearly the same cost. It's all about customer service which gives him alot of business. You may not like him due to him not giving you good customer service, however he has given me (and alot of FTE as well, including other sites) great service that most local transmission builders won't give you. When i took my truck down there to get the transmission built, he built it and installed it. Took it for a test drive, and the TC did not lock. Pulled the pan, changed a new sensor pack back out, and then test drove again. Still a problem. Pulled the transmission at 7:30 at night, removed the front pump and found a valve to be sticking, not touched by BTS however bad from Ford. He replaced it with a new one, at 10:00 we went out to dinner and he bought me and my father dinner and turned down my offer to buy dinner. Said sorry about the delay and i went on my way.
Last edited by PowerstrokeJunkie; Jul 23, 2007 at 03:43 PM.
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From: Dallas-Ft. Worth
Just to be clear, I'm *not* ******* Brian, BTS, or their products. I haven't had a lick of experience with them. I am, however the type of guy that likes to "roll my own" when it comes to a lot of stuff. If I had more time, I would've done the kwik-fuel-pump-in-the-tank mod, but now that I'm back to work, I decided to go the kit route. As far as the VB, I have a buddy that knows the 4R100, so I feel confident doing some experimentation there (plus, it's a less of a pain fooling with the transmission than dropping the fuel tank more than once!!).
I will say this -- if my tranny goes, I'm getting one from BTS.
Joe
I will say this -- if my tranny goes, I'm getting one from BTS.
Joe
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From: Central Alabama
Originally Posted by 7.3L DID TD
Now I'm sure I need to do a little more research before I purchase a VB. Does anyone else have this delay in reverse? I'm looking for improvements not disappointments.
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so monster.... there are no difference in the machining of the VB from BTS as compared to the stock one? I was in the other powerstroke forum 94.5-97 and read a post about a guy who is taking the VB and drilling a 1/16" hold in each of the runners to let the fluid release faster for a firmer shift? I was thinking about giving that a try but if i can get a decent kit from transgo i might try that also.
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If a product is a good product and the vendor is able to sell w/out advertisement costs, good for them. Being a partial business owner and seeing what advertising cost, it's straight off the bottom line. Word of mouth about a great product, free. I have a BTS VB, no complaints, but I WOULD recommend to anyone. Taking my brother's Excursion down to BTS for a tranny in a month and I'll take my truck when it needs one. I don't have the knowledge of AT's or the tools/equipment to remove and overhaul.
I wouldn't call Brian a liar, he's in business to make money. Don't bash someone that is very reputable and is written up in well distributed magazine about having one of the best tranny's available for our trucks.
<p> Also, it's nice to be able to tell DP, I have a BTS VB, program it accordingly. Mine shifts so smoothly.
I wouldn't call Brian a liar, he's in business to make money. Don't bash someone that is very reputable and is written up in well distributed magazine about having one of the best tranny's available for our trucks.
<p> Also, it's nice to be able to tell DP, I have a BTS VB, program it accordingly. Mine shifts so smoothly.
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From: SE WI
Originally Posted by Alpine6
If a product is a good product and the vendor is able to sell w/out advertisement costs, good for them. Being a partial business owner and seeing what advertising cost, it's straight off the bottom line. Word of mouth about a great product, free. I have a BTS VB, no complaints, but I WOULD recommend to anyone. Taking my brother's Excursion down to BTS for a tranny in a month and I'll take my truck when it needs one. I don't have the knowledge of AT's or the tools/equipment to remove and overhaul.
I wouldn't call Brian a liar, he's in business to make money. Don't bash someone that is very reputable and is written up in well distributed magazine about having one of the best tranny's available for our trucks.
Also, it's nice to be able to tell DP, I have a BTS VB, program it accordingly. Mine shifts so smoothly.
I wouldn't call Brian a liar, he's in business to make money. Don't bash someone that is very reputable and is written up in well distributed magazine about having one of the best tranny's available for our trucks.
Also, it's nice to be able to tell DP, I have a BTS VB, program it accordingly. Mine shifts so smoothly.
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From: Silver Lake Dunes, MI
So monsterbaby are John Woods, ATS, Suncoast, Factory Tech, Jasper, and all the other tranny shops liars because they sell a specialized product that most people won't touch? I don't think so.
From what I understand BTS starts with a brand new VB from Ford then mods it from there. I think if you add up the cost of a new VB and the kit you will have pretty close to the cost of the BTS VB. I don't see any issue with that.
From what I understand BTS starts with a brand new VB from Ford then mods it from there. I think if you add up the cost of a new VB and the kit you will have pretty close to the cost of the BTS VB. I don't see any issue with that.
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Originally Posted by tjbeggs
So monsterbaby are John Woods, ATS, Suncoast, Factory Tech, Jasper, and all the other tranny shops liars because they sell a specialized product that most people won't touch? I don't think so.
From what I understand BTS starts with a brand new VB from Ford then mods it from there. I think if you add up the cost of a new VB and the kit you will have pretty close to the cost of the BTS VB. I don't see any issue with that.
From what I understand BTS starts with a brand new VB from Ford then mods it from there. I think if you add up the cost of a new VB and the kit you will have pretty close to the cost of the BTS VB. I don't see any issue with that.
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From: iowa
I have written and deleted about a dozen responses to this thread again and a couple of PM's to various posters about it. So let me put it this one way and everyone can make up their own mind on the issue.
If your wife/GF/sister/mother took her car into a mechanic and said I need a new altenator put on and the mechanic also installed a "new" pulley system, water pump, belt, PS pump and changed the antifreeze because since those are all connected they need replaced too. What would your response be to this mechanic? would you go brag about how he is wonderful to everyone on every internet board you could? or would you bash him every chance you got? Brian is doing it to all his customers everyday and they are posting how wonderful he is.
If your wife/GF/sister/mother took her car into a mechanic and said I need a new altenator put on and the mechanic also installed a "new" pulley system, water pump, belt, PS pump and changed the antifreeze because since those are all connected they need replaced too. What would your response be to this mechanic? would you go brag about how he is wonderful to everyone on every internet board you could? or would you bash him every chance you got? Brian is doing it to all his customers everyday and they are posting how wonderful he is.
