I did look at the kit. I didn't do a comparison so I cannot say for sure that it is EXACTLY what is in it. However, I'd rather pay $125 more and make it Plug and Play than to risk screwing up something and have to take it apart again to get it right. You are a trans tech. Easier for you since you are more familiar with trans stuff. How is that being a con artist or a liar? I called him to ask him why after I changed computers back to a stock one, the OD doesn't work properly. He talked to me while I took the shifter out to make sure I got it all right. When my diode locked up and fried the trans, he gave me credit for the VB that was in there.

So?

 

I don't follow. If it is identical, how can one work better or not than the other?

What has that got to do with anything? There are other people that don't want to pay for sponsorship on this site. I don't advertise if I don't have to. Why should he? Sorry but I don't understand that gripe of yours.

Such as? So you are a disgruttled customer. Maybe he rubbed you the wrong way. I don't know how that becomes "deciet, misconceptions, and outright lies"

 

Every shop I have used in the past has gone thru the entire trans and replaced pretty much most everything. What are you trying to say? That Ford built the trans right? I think not. I wouldn't replace one part in it and leave the rest if I were rebuilding the trans.

 

I agree w/ above. Replace whatever wearable items you have to while you're in there. It's called PM'ing your truck. I'd rather pay once to have it pulled and gone through, then to pull it multiple times to fix this problem this time, and then fix that next time. Just my 2 cents worth.

I try to work on my stuff as much as my ability and tools allow me too. There are a few things I will not touch, this is one of them. Instead of me spending a few days on a project like this, I'd rather drop it off and work some extra to pay for it.

 

Ford probably charges a core charge thats why BTS wants cores back. Its also possibel that maybe they are brand new VB from for but remaned. This is just what I have heard so I can't say for sure.

I can say this though. Mosterbaby you are the only one out of probably 100 (conservative number) that I have come into contact with on the this forum and other forums that had ever had a negative comment about BTS. I think its time for you to start speaking in detail about exactly what BTS does that is deceptive and wrong. Then you need to back it up with facts! you have spoken in generalities this entire thread. You have brought this discussion to the open forum and I think its time you explain in detail on the open forum your issue with BTS. I have never dealt with BTS but when the time comes I very well may be a customer of theirs based soley on the praises I have heard from other concerning their products and their service.

 

I am hopping my BTS-VB comes in today. When it does I will install it and that will most likely add to the smile factor I have started. There is no way I would try to build one myself. Thanks BRIAN

RICK

 

Hey miller_feed let me know how that works out for you! I'm now on the fence about what to do and where to get one! Mainly because of this thread. Thanks, Joe

 

I am not putting to much stock into this. I went with the mass of people that had good things to say. Why would DENNIS or JODY need to know I would be getting the BTS-VB to set up my DP-TUNER. And BRIAN needed to know I am getting the DP-TUNER to setup my VB. I know nothing about all this, just trying to get to the GRINN FACTOR. LOL. I hope my DP-TUNER comes in tomorrow. I will post how it went.

RICK

 

Why? Because there might be a difference in tunes. I installed the VB and the trans behaved differently. When I installed the tuned PCM, there was a difference.

Brian didn't want to send instructions so I call him. After I called him, he told me which holes to enlarge if I wanted to change what shift. They were already drilled out, I can see. He said it was his adjustment based on what I told him I wanted. I made a photocopy of the plate and sent it to him with the circles where I thought he meant. I got most of them right but he corrected me on one of them.

 

Well, I just ordered the TransGo Tugger for like $95, with a couple bucks for shipping. Looks like it'll do the job...

Got it HERE.

Not sure when I'll get it in, though. Sorry for the confusion!!!

Joe

 

wow.... what is wrong with people pushing stuff that works well? Just because someone sponsors the site doesnt mean their stuff is any good. Brian is far from a con artist and liar, just because his valve body is very similar to one you can make how is that conning or lying to anyone? For people like me that dont know alot about transmissions its nice to be able to call a company and order something ready to drop in rather than spend time messing with it and MAYBE get it right. Id rather spend my $ on something that I KNOW works. With that said I wouldnt hesitate to buy a valve body from Brian, he's a stand up guy and knows way more about these transmissions than 99.99% people in this world. Im not running a bts trans at the moment, but after meeting Brian, Patty and Cale I will not hesitate to call them when I need another transmission.

Luke

 

The VB's from BTS are not brand new..hence the core charge, I have built several, There are a couple more mods done by me to the VB that BTS doesn't do. There are 3 Transgo VB kits avaliable. Use the middle one with the plate.

There is a tuning reason why everyone knows the level of the VB done by BTS. They(the tuners) know it is set to this point, and can tune from there. One flaw to this is EVERY 4R100 transmission is at a different stage in its life or performance level, just like NO 7.3 is the same as another. THAT is exactly what the Transgo kit is for AJUSTABILITY. You set it to a standard level and then adjust from there(or thats the way I do it).

To say that BTS, John Wood, Suncoast are the only players in the trans area is not accurate!!!!

I have met several people that knew the 4R100 quite well, locally. You can build a better trans then ANY one of the big three, its just where do you stop? How much money do you spend?

Most of the trucks out here just need a TC, VB mods, Quality parts, NEW LARGER COOLER. Hardened shafts, are one thing that is not needed by 95% of the trucks out there. Now when you go to a very stout TC, you might consider a hardended input shaft..

I believe what Monster may be saying, and what I am saying is..YOU HAVE to understand a customer needs and wants and truck purpose. Then and only then sell him want me needs to cover his application. Selling needlessly is a salemen not a hobbyist/professional.

FWIW, if you instal TOO aggressive stall TC in a stock truck it will make the truck a dog, It will drive like a slug, It just is not fun anymore to drive.

BTS does good work and is very well respected amoungst the industry.

 

I went to a local who i was referred to by many other customers. He was supposed to be a tranny "god". I had him build me a $3800 "bullet proof" E40D that i could race or tow with and i was SUPPOSED to have a 24mo/ 2yr warrenty. It never shifted right and after 4k miles @ only 400 rwhp it puked. Guess what.... My warrenty got voided because i "abused" the trans.

Long story short i sent the trans else where to get rebuilt and it didnt have 1 high performance part in it. My new tranny builder put everything he found in writing. I went back to trans builder #1 with my findings, threatening to get a lawyer and go after a full refund in court. IIRC he gave me 1400-1500 back (with out me saying anymore), so after spending another almost $4500 i was on the road (almost 6k out of pocket at this point). Long story short, dont buy a high po trans locally unless your near BTS (AR) or John Wood (CA). Ive been running mine now for over 20k and had it tore down for inspection... nothing got replaced other than seals and gaskets.

If you think your local trans builder is good, send his trans to me and i'll break it in 1 week or less gauranteed.

 

I have two 97's with BTS trannys and they are the best tranny there is. And as far as the customer service i had one go out. And it think it was the guy that put it ins fault for not changing the coolers. We i called talk to brian he sent one out the next day. And never saw it with his own eyes to me thats service. I dont care who he sponsers as long as he can build a tranny.

 

I am not going to get into bashing but let me make one thing clear ok?
suggesting that someone that lives in AR or a surronding state go to BTS and have transmission work done is helping a forum member out, suggesting to someone that lives less than 20 miles from JW travel 2000 miles to Arkansas because in order to get a good trans build you have to see Brian at BTS is cheer leading and wrong.

As to the parts about deciet and others I said I will put a couple things out slowly until people begin to see it for themselves
example forum member right in this very forum took his trans to Brian, teh trans had a magtech pan on it, Brian said it didn't need the extra 2 qts of fluid capacity and to not install that pan back on and convinced the person to buy a new pan from him. Now Brian is correct that transmission doesn't NEED that extra capacity but the only thing it was hurting was Brians pocket book by not gettting to sell and make the profit from that new transmission pan. So he conned a customer into removing a perfectly good pan and spending the money to buy a pan that isn't as good but is adequate from him thus increasing Brians profits. This is wrong and decietful
Ok enough for today boys and girls maybe tomorrow I will add more

Oh and Kris as to the "great customer service" due to his replacing that defective front pump the HE INSTALLED, thats what a mechanic is expected to do he didn't do you any great favor he just did was you would expect if you take your vehicle in for service and they don't fix it like you paid for. If you doubt that ask Dan (kwikordead) or anyone else that has ever worked as a mechanic, it's called a come back and is the bane of every mechanic everywhere but just part of doing business.