Funny, I just bid out a couple of vans to an Electrical Contractor yesterday. The one's he was replacing were V10's that were pushing upwards of 180K each, with zero problems except for a tranny replacement (each). Considering he carries about 3000 lbs of gear in each one, all the time, and drives primarily urban/suburban traffic, I didn't think that was too bad. He was comparing the V10 to a 5.4 (cheaper by about a grand), but I didn't think that combo would be as durable for the type of use he had going.

The kicker was he had two F350 in service, a '92 and a '94, both with 460's. One had 330K miles on it, the other almost 300K, and both were running great. That motor was the real timex.

re: car salesmen. It's true- our biz does attract a lot of the wrong kind of people. A big part of it is the money- not many jobs pay the kind of money this one does without requiring a College Education or some type of vocational training. The problem is, the "wrong types" think it's easy money- and it's anything but. Like any other profession I know, it takes a lot of hard work and long hours to make it pay, and in the long run your past customer base will keep you going in the skinny times.

 

Yeah, the E-series with V10 now has the Torqueshift. The V8 doesn't, and I don't think it's optional. My brother-in-law just went through getting a V8 e-series (bad water pump at 6 months) and it had the 4R75W (I think it's got the W on the end), but the V10 came with the 5-speed.

Amazing package.

 

Ok, guys im back. Had sometime to think about this over the weekend. Specially while plowing snow as theres not much else to do and it helped pass the time. This is gonna be kinda long and your input on all of this would be welcomed.

Before telling you which way im going I would like to post some qoutes from the past couple of days. Starting with the oldest first. once again a response on each would be great

That amount is actually 1650 (not 2000) difference before tax and title. I would like to add that the Diesel had $4750 worth of rebates and incentives that they took off the price..
When the V10 was speced out it was only figured with a $1000 rebate as they dont know whats going to happen after Jan 3rd and therefore left it out when figuring the pricing for the V10.
However If you take simple plan price of both trucks before rebates then there is about 4500 difference.

So basically if I go V10, Im going to take my chances that Simple Plan pricing will still be around and the rebates will be the same or greater.
If everything stays the same then the V10 will cost me around 34500.00 +tax and title vs 39500.00 (-5,000)
My plug that I used with them is well if rebates stay the same or are more then im really farther ahead of the game.Their response was that the rebates are the highest at the end of the year..and they probably will be less later.

After reading this I now know where the extra $$ off are coming from that they say they are giving me on the diesel that is not available for the v10 if I order

Exactly my thoughts too, everytime I took that diesel out and tried thinking foward 4 or 5 yrs. Its nice now...but what about in 5 yrs???? I think the little lady thinks im nuts because Ive tossed this issue around so much (v-10 or get the diesel) The dealer is probably sick of seeing me to but its my hard earned 35-40 thousand. Im gonna be damn sure...

I got to thinking about this, when I first started looking for a truck I decided right off the getgo that I did not want to be a test monkey for a new engine when it came out next year, and I didnt really want to wait another year before getting a truck. So thought Id get the 6.0. Guys down here in the V10 forum have some good info and so does the diesel section. Anyway got me thinking Ford is continuing on with the V-10 but changing the 6.0. So I posted a message up in the Superduty forum, some of you may have seen it. Asking about when the engines where first introduced into the market.
The response that I got was 1998 for the V-10 and 2003 for the 6.0. For some reason I just thought the 6.0 was out longer than that,....
Unless that information is wrong then....
if the 6.0 is such a great engine, why has it only lasted 3 yrs and now ford is working on a new and improved 6.0 ...Makes you wonder dont it.
and if it aint broke dont fix it V-10 is still plugging away..
can you see where im going with this?????

Also did a little gas/diesel fuel cost figuring.
In 7 yrs ive driven about 14,457 miles a year
I figured 11MPG on average for the V-10
and 14MPG average for the diesel

14457/11=1314.27 gals of gas x 2.29 = 3,009.67
14457/14=963.80 gals of diesel x 2.49 = 2399.86
difference of $609.81 savings for diesel
609.00 x 7yrs = $4268.67

so unless Im figuring the MPG for both too low or too high (and fuel prices stay about the same) then after 7 yrs the diesel would pay for itself in fuel but not in maintenance..

Im done rambling. Sorry this was so lengthly

oh by the way.....................
im going to try to get to the dealership tomorrow to order my new V10
Going to start a new post though because I have some questions on some of the options when ordering...

 

On another note.. that tire gearing calculation link thing works good but what does the stock 265 or 275 tires equate to.. so I can plug in the numbers....
thinking of 35s

 

the only thing I would re-figure is the 963 gallons of diesel at .40 more per gallon than gas, which is what it is running here, amounting to $2.69 per gallon = $2,590. And you will do 5 oil changes on that diesel in 15000 miles, which will cost you $60 more than the V-10 per change=$300. That totals up within $181 cushion that you can spend on things like diesel fuel additive, maybe fuel filter or two, or a glow plug, or buy some electricity for that block heater you run every night in cold weather, to break even with the V-10. Looks to me like fuel and maintenance between the two is a wash--- at best, sooo---

Now you run that 7 years out, 15k/yr=100,000 miles. It's time to trade in for a new one. Remember you still havn't touched that $5000 extra you paid 7 years ago, so now, do you think a used 100,000 mile diesel F-250/350 will bring $5000 more than a comparable V-10 with 100,000 miles? (really, it ought to bring more than $5k as there is compound interest we didn't figure on that money for 7 years).

It's a no brainer to me!

 

4wd is on the right track and I would like to add a few other considerations...

Even if "buy in" price were exactly the same, I would still order the v10

I have owned most every Ford engine over the years and the V10 low maintenance costs and reliability give it a serious edge.

When you pay a $3700 to $5200 dollar premium for an engine you are obligated to pay extra attention to maintenance. You level of worry is increased and your total yearly costs are higher...that is a fact of diesel ownership simple as that

Oil cost more
Air filters cost more
Fuel filters cost more
Additives for the cooling system
Additives for cold weather
More expensive fuel
Increased front tire wear (much more weight)
You pay extra interest on the total amount financed
Insurance is slightly higher
Down time will be higher

As long as the 3v V10 can do 95% of EVERY thing a PSD can do, and cheaper...why even consider A PSD?

I frequently recommend the PSD...but only for usage that is over 9000LBS all the time and a majority of the miles above 7000 foot altitude

Brother, if you get a 3v V10, 5R110w TorqShift trans. 4.30:1 gears in a 4 door SuperDuty truck you will be dollars ahead and happy for the life of the truck


It is as simple as BSEG can get. stop over-thinking the damned rebates... Ford is pushing the 6.0L PSD for a reason..... percent profit is always more on a more expensive truck

BTW if Diesel is only 20 cents more a gallon where you live, consider your diesel friends lucky... The normal spread is more in the 40 to 70 cent higher range every where I travel! Today Central Texas reg 87 is $1.989, Diesel is $2.629 the closest spread in last 18 months was 35C more for diesel

Not to beat a horse to death but you folks are aware of how many quarts of oil a PSD takes ....right?

And why is it that about 80% of all PSD owners spend the bucks for fancy gages and a CHIP.... come on now, I am sure a few of you know the answer to this enigma.

 

Stick with the V10, it is a winner and still being produced.

The dismal 3.5 year run of the 6.0 is almost over and I say good riddance.

Let's hope the all new 6.4 Twin fixed vane Turbos can get Fords reputation back in the diesel segment.

The 6.0 has sold a lot of Dodges and a lot of GMCs. Many buyers wanted the Ford SD but wanted a diesel engine they could trust and just did not realize the 6.8 Triton V10 engine is the best choice for reliable performance in a Ford SD.

I am sure glad I found this website and was able to stay with Ford by going V10.

After owning an 04 6.0 , I was never going that route again and I was real close to going for a GMC Buick with a box and a Duramax. It was my first choice in diesel.
Drove the Cummins, love that engine, but didn't like what it was bolted to.

 

What's wierd is the 6.0 actually isn't that bad. I've got some large fleets out with them, and problems are few and far between. What does seem to be the case, though, is that when they're bad- they're truly miserable.

I'd concur on one thing, though- a D-Max/Allison in a SD would be my choice, if that option existed.

 

I probably figured a little low for the MPG on the diesel too. Probably should be higher than 14. And yes right now diesel is only .20c more a gal.
Really the only reason I was considering the Diesel is because of the MPG , but if its going to cost me more in the end or ends up being a wash then whats the point.
It will be just my luck that diesel will go down to 1.99 a gal while gas goes up to 2.50 a gal

Where is this "Break in procedure" for the V10 at that ive heard about?

Whats the norm on the rebates do the dealers usually give you what is available at order time or at delivery time?

What do you guys think that the Incentives and rebates will do after Jan 3rd?

 

rebates ! pollar bear and jeff clark will have to put in their thoughts. as the 07 is rumored to be coming out in may.
breakin lots of hot and cold cycles, easy runing for about the first 500. bed the breaks by many get them a little hot and let cool like running a long hill slow down, get off em and let cool a while and repeat.
i'm sure fred will come back with his way. i did mine his way and at 17k still no problems.

 

On the rebates offered of a new -06 purchase, I'd suggest you post this question up in the New Ford/Merc purchase column up above. Several salesmen frequent that site and at one time recently, Markll said he would guarantee all rebates in effect now till it is delivered if you buy from him, regardless of what happens later(I'm not sure how he can do that). You'd have to go to New York to pick it up, tho, unless he drove it out to you as he said he'd do that too!

 

I think this part of my post got lost in the dealership/salesmen discussion, so....

Scott

 

Cokeman

While you secondary question in your first post in this V10 thread may have been an attempt to "get back on topic" we never were OFF Topic. The thread is about a V10 purchase decision.

However to answer your question.... as long as the used axle assy is from 2000 through 2006 and is the same configuration SRW or DRW then yes, you may simply swap in or out the entire assy as they are all Identical units and only difference would be the gear set ratios.

There may be one fly in the ointment that could cause some grief and that is I am not sure when Ford changed the axle shock mounts to one in front one behind. (some I have seen are welded on, and some are clamped on.) Either way it is not rocket science to set up the shock mounts however you need them.

 

My '01 has them both in back, and are clamped on.

 

Hey Cap are you running the stock 265/70/17 tires with your 4.56 gears. I have been playing with a tire calculator trying to get a new truck gear and tire combo to come out close to what I have now (215/85/16 4.30 gears). I used my tire size with 4.56 gears and compared them to your tire size and came up with the equivalent of 4.38 gears. So are gearing is close to the same at this time but if I use my tire size and 4.30 gears and the tire size of the new DRW 245/75/17 I come up with 4.15 gears, if I use 4.56 gears I come up with 4.40 gears thats were I would like to be.

So can anyone tell me if I have a Ford dealer change my gears before I even pick up a new truck will the warranty still be the same on the rear end.

Denny