Sounds to me like you are sold on the diesel. I'm suprised at only $2000 less for the V-10, and sounds like many more free options thrown in with that diesel on the lot too.

Good Luck to ya! At least you are staying with Ford. We can agree they build the best Super Duty truck on the market today.

Just curious--what ratio final drive in that diesel you like?

Most all the F-250/350 4X4's, '06 diesels and gassers (5.4) I've seen on dealers lots are automatics with 3.73 ratios..ech! I haven't seen an '06 v-10 pick-up yet to see what gearing dealers are getting for stock.

 

So are dealers seriously not educated on the V10s and their power/mileage/etc. or do they just always push for the PSD because of commission?

 

If you decide to go to the diesel instead of the V10, fine. We all prefer different things in life. However, if you are basing your decision on what that Ford salesman told you about the V10, think again.

The V10 is absolutely the Rodney Dangerfield of truck engines....No respect. I first drove one of these V10s several years ago where the place I work bought one to pull a 13,000lb boat around. I was blown away by what a sweet engine this was. Having had my interest perked, I went immediately to several Ford dealers to talk shop. The most MISINFORMATION I ever received about this engine came from salesmen at the Ford dealerships. Most all the bad advise I ever recieved about this engine came from people who never had one. Such as:

1. If a Hemi can't pull your load, you are going to need a diesel. Sure, hook a Hemi back to back with a V10 and watch that Hemi go real fast....in reverse.

2. You will need to mortgage your house to pay for the gas that V10 is going to use. ANY big truck is going to use alot of fuel and the V10 is more efficient than most. When James Healey, who tests cars and trucks for USA Today, tested the Hemi's he took a two wheel drive, regular cab and drove 600 highway miles with it......15.5 mpg. Consumer Reports was surprised when the Hemi averaged only 11 mpg in their tests. I don't mean to blast the Hemi engine, it's a fine engine, but I get upset about how consumers buy into the Dodge advertising like the Hemi is the best thing to come along in years. While Ford sits with this wonderful V10 and says practically nothing. Granted, Ford is going to make more money selling the diesels but, a little public ralations for the V10 would go a long way in selling some more Super Duty trucks.

3. The best information on this engine can be had by asking the people who own them. RVers and construction workers. And of course this V10 forum.

OK, I need a beer now.

 

That is tipicle of a sales mans line of BULL, They are over loaded with stock psd's all over. infact most dealers i went to priceing mine out did not even have a 5.4 to drive every thing was a smoker.
Thats out right b.s. about the 4:30's. again this motor loves to rev and the guys with 30's are doing a little better then us with 10's. that sales person has been brain washed by their sales meeting on saturday mornings. find another dealer and say this is what i want don't give me any of your sales persons bull line, As with the new v10 you guys are dead wrong. and most likely have never sold or driven one
I had 12 psd's in my family, the 2, 6.0 were taken to lemon law and won on.And they were only 1 to 2 mpg's better then my 05 v10,
Sorry but that sales person was only out for a bigger commision check that they get for selling a smoker
Sorry about sounding p.o'd about that sales man he's like all the no goods.
I see your in na, contact pollarbear in portland and get a good west coast fte deal, a no bs sale along with a great dealing from a great sales person

 

Sounds like you're sold on the diesel: (from the 6.0 forum)

Be advised that your salesman is either a.) stupid or b.) has a lot of unmovable PSD's to sell. Point for point they are incorrect.
It would make sense if something costs $3800 more to begin with it's going to bring more at time of resale. And as far as V10's being hard to get rid of, ask the saleman where they are...Oh, you don't have any
Anyway, your money=your truck. Get a extended warranty and enjoy The Super Duty is the best truck currently available, IMO.

 

I have to agree about the salespeople. when I bought mine, I wanted the V10 with the 4.30 and the salesman convinced me that was a bad idea. He insisted that 3.73s are the only gears anyone would want in a truck like this.
Fast forward 18 months and I just paid a significant amount of money to switch to 4.30s that I wanted in the first place! The gas mileage is still about the same. I get just under 11 mpg with no highway and lots of stops.
Make sure you take everything the salesperson says with a grain of salt.

 

This is typical Ford salemanship. Dump as many lemon 6.0s on the market before the much improved 6.4 is out. No more variable vane problems with the 6.4 as both turbos have fixed vanes. Ford won't walk that road again.

It's deja vu time for me because when Ford could not get the 7.3 on the market fast enough back in 1994, they threw a Turbo on the old IDI 7.3 and duped thousands into buying the " new engine"

I am sure no salepeople are telling their customers the truth about the replacement of the 6.0. RELIABILITY PROBLEMS AND WARRANTY COSTS

 

Wrench said Quote: "Dump as many lemon 6.0s on the market before the much improved 6.4 is out."

May be something to that statement, as I certainly have seen lots of diesel '06 F-250 and 350 arriving and being floor planned on dealer's lots, along with a few 5.4 gassers, all with the wrong gearing. And sounds like very attractive pricing deals already are happening to unload them. Always in the past, just the diesel option was $5000 extra, then you add up from there for the fancy cab stuff. Maybe Ford is offering special floor plan pricing to the dealers only on the '06 diesels to blow them out this winter and spring, and the dealers are passing some of this special pricing on to the customers. I do think, especially in the cold winter, a V-10 on the lot would sell before the comparably equipped diesel. This may be why there are no V-10's floor planned. I can imagine the much better performance when test driving a 5.4 gasser with a 3.73 gears then test driving a 6.0 diesel with the same gearing. Be easy to sell the guy the diesel.

I wouldn't buy what I wouldn't be happy to own for the next 100,000 miles regardless of the super deal the dealers are offering. Don't forget who those salesmen are working for!

 

Everyone here is right, do your own research and don't listen to what the salesmen tell you. Also, buying something just for a higher resale later has never made sense to me. Let's say you buy option X for and additional $4000 because the dealer tells you it will sell for more later. If you can only sell your used truck later for $2000 more than a similar truck without option X, then it looks to me like you just lost $2k. Of course, if option X is something you actually use or need, then that's a different story.


Back on topic: I have the 3.73s in my 2002 and I'm happy with them right now, so I'm not in a hurry to change. However, I wouldn't mind getting some steeper gears eventually. My question is: If I find a rearend in a boneyard that is geared they way I want it, can I just do a straight swap of the rearends? What about differences in years? Would a 2005 rear fit on a 2002? Computer problems?

 

At least I have to say there was some mis-information being thrown around on that Ford lot. First off, the axle ratio choices for a V10 are 4.10 or 4.30- the 3.73 is a 6.0 ratio (it used to be offered on the V10- no longer). There's not a big difference in mileage between the two (1-2 mpg tops), but with larger tires the 4.30's would be the gears of choice (see monsta's calculator). Just be aware that larger tires are going to cut into your mileage- if that's a concern, you really need to think about that.

As far as there being a $2000 price difference between a V10 and a PSD- ain't no way- $4000 is a lot more like it, any way you slice or dice it. It's true you won't find many V10's on dealer lots- but that's the result of what dealers are ordering (both engines are free-flow from the factory). A 8.1 is just as hard to find on a Chevy lot (and yes, that motor really is a gas hog). This is just all a function of what's selling- no more, no less. These guys are a good guage of what the V10 gets for mileage- there's a 4-5 mpg difference, and diesel is currently more expensive than gas. Add in the increased service costs, and it's hard to pencil out a diesel on operating costs alone.

Where the diesel does shine is resale- no secret there. It's risky making a decision on that basis alone though- a price spike in diesel fuel could change that equation in a hurry, and my crystal ball is a bit cloudy at the moment.

 

for the truth pollarbear just put in brass tacks, 4k is more like it and i'll bet the other 2 is buried in either your trade of finance costs. that sales person is ful of major don't step in it.
oooh- by the way did you have on hip or chest waders with that line cause, it sure was deep.

 

I cant understand why ford is not making more v-10s. especially now that diesel is 40 to 50 cents more per gallon than gas in most parts of the country. I was originally going to get a used diesel, but its just not worth it anymore. Higher resale means nothing if you going to drive it into the ground anyway.

I am very interested in a manual v-10 extended cab. However, I cant find any used or new ones in my area to even test drive. There was one about 100 miles from me and it sold in one day. !

Its hard to find a manual F 250, with any gas motor v8 or v10.

The only manuals I can find around here are the diesels.

 

i doubt you find a gas motor any where. asi had the same problem to test drive a 05 super cab, i to drive a diesel. to find a truthfull dealer that took a long time and i finally went over into ny state and wound up at a great pop and son dealer and dealt with the son lock stock , sale and delivery. no bs given. true invoice price.my trade i got the money right from the wholesaler as i took care of that myself.
in fact after the son drove mine to fill the gas tank he ordered 1 for him self and loved it. then when he got his 06 the old one sold in 1 day.
the v10 is no good tell that to the company that plows our roads 15, 05 f350's,v10's with dumps

 

That V10 market is funny- we order a few for stock, and damned if they don't sit....and sit... and sit. Used, though, they fly off of the lot if they're the right truck otherwise. Translated, that means Lariat Crew 4X4 with good miles in a nice color.

The used market is the real eye-opener- you could buy a late model V10 and a little gas-saver for the price difference of that against a PSD.

 

I am seeing municipal plow trucks with sanders on the back, all V10s.
The V10 is a good choice for business or personal use.
It is a great reliable engine and people who can think outside the box are getting a truck they can feel good about owning.

The DI Turbos have been the top banana on the truck scene for the last 10 years. If you wanted the top tow rating you had to go diesel. Now you can get the same top tow rating with an incredible, user friendly V10 that uses a cheaper fuel.
It is a no brainer, for most users the V10 is the best choice but once the public has been duped into believing that gas motors can't tow and you must have a diesel to pull a big Fiver, and even stupid Ford salesmen believe that myth, and that is why only a few of us that have been around the block a few times realize what an absolute bargain the V10 is.