you will never understand. people don't want the dodge truck just because it offers a cummins. they want whatever their brand has to offer with the cummins. trust me if it became like the OTR trucks. i will bet that the cummins would be the choice of motor over the PSD or the DMAX. i have no proof because of a 100 people and really I don't give a rip about them, if they prove the point or not. the proof is if you start looking people that own a diesel.

i have not run acrossed a dodge guy that doesn't like his cummins, i have not run acrossed a chevy or ford guy to date that doesn't like the cummins motor. some perfer the quickness of one motor over the other, but that point would be virtually pointless if both motors put out the same HP and TQ.

i can only know 100% in my mind that this is true. In my dream world, this motor would say duramax on the side, and in your dream world it would say PSD.

i know a lot of guys love CAT but that was not the point here. If it was just between those 3 motors there is no doubt that the cummins would win out, or out sell.

The reason for such faith in cummins is because they have a proven design and a proven name. What hasn't a cummins been put in for real? It has been in everything from indy cars to tractors. i haven't seen a cummins powered aircraft YET.

 

I don't know if it's true or not, but I'm been told before that the reason Cummins went with Dodge is that they were the only one that would make their frames to Cummins' specs. Ford and Chevy weren't stong enough going by Cummis' standards.

 

ahh,not quite.
A Cummins doesn't FIT in a 250/350 engine bay.
Hence why it isn't available until you get into the 650-750 class vehicle.
The inline 6 is a lot larger in length than either the Duramax or the PSD.

The current Ford SD has the strongest frame available in a 3/4 - 1 ton class pickup.

 

http://www.fordcummins.com/

you might want to edit what you said.

 

I bet that if you had a choice, the Cummins wouldn't be the choice of the majority, I know PLENTY of people who hate Cummins, because they have been left on the side of the road one too many times by a good ol` cumapart.

 

It seems Fordlariat is not dealing with the fact that the cummins won on a ford site very well, Edited out by Admin

 

If you compare section modulus (sp?) GM comes out on top in frame strength according to an engineering report i saw once. Also i saw many chassi cab silverados and those frames are massive, i think there way overbuilt for the trucks payloads.

 

Seems that people fail to admit that it doesn't matter what a poll on a site says, the sales speak for themselves...

 

ya they do. cummins sells more diesel in the light truck market then ford or chevy, even though they have the fewest creature comforts of the big 3. we have been trying to beat this through your skull but it hasn't made it yet.

cummins sells more light duty diesel trucks than ford OR gm.

sales speak for themselves.

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Was that report for an 05 SD???
The reason I ask, is that frame strength almost doubled from the 04 to the 05 update...

As for my statement that the Cummins will not fit in a 250/350, they will not fit in a production run.
They can be fitted by aftermarket people, the same a 460 can be put in a Ranger, but trying to fit it in on the production line is just rediculous.

 

How ya figure Cummins sells more ld trucks than Ford or Chevy? Engines in other vehicles don't count, only the ones in Dodge trucks, they're the only direct competitor to the SD in this market with a Cummins...

 

FL I think he mispoke. The 5.9 did outsell the 7.3 but not in light duty trucks. Also it seemed he referred to the cummins as a light duty engine. Which it is not. If you combine all PSD sales. I believe the 7.3 and 6.0 finally overtook the 5.9 sales. Last I heard it was around 2.5 million 5.9s. PSD should be close to or exceeded this number.

As to many people being left on the side of the road by a cumapart. I guess you dont read the 6.0 forum often. The 5.9 is more reliable than the 7.3 or the 6.0, though pure conjecture it is based on 6 years of research. So if one was to complain. I think it would be about either of those two. To suggest that you would prefer the 6.0 to the 5.9 for reliability reasons is absurd.

 

But as far as recalls go, the 5.9 has had more units recalled for the same reason...I posted facts that proved this...

 

You make a good point Lariat, but recalls are not always a bad thing. Alot of the time its a manufacturer fixing a small issue before it gets worse, or at best, just a checkup on the product to make sure it isn't infected wiht the problem.

As for the 6.0 VS 5.9 in reliability, this is a no-brainer. The Cummins is FAR more reliable than the 6.0. The 6.0 has a nasty rep that will remain with it until the day they stop putting them in Ford trucks. It won't get a chance to redeam itself because it is going to be dicontinued in a few years in favor of the 6.4. If Ford though the same way you did Lariat (which is't a bad way) they would not even be thinking of replacing this diesel. Ford knows they have a less than reliable diesel on their hands, and are going to get rid of it. IMO, if Ford offered the 5.9 in the new SD, it would be untouchable as far as performance in, towing. The next step up form a SD with a Cummins would be a semi.


Best as always.

 

we need to do a poll on "which would you rather had in your SD, a 5.9 Cummins, or a 7.2 Cat" and see who would win