Some folks like blondes and some like brunettes, some like brown eyes and some like blue, some like tall and some like short, some like Fords and some like Dodge (or Chevy or Toyota or Nissan) and then some of us LIKE THEM ALL.

You may want to stick with your narrow view of what you want but some of us will enjoy the variety and abundance of supply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

150Ford. How long do you think that your "Ford is superior, and everything else is junk" BS is gonna fly for? Do us all a favor. Come back down to earth, open your flippin eyes, and look at the competition as more than a stain on the market. Which is exactly what you think they are. They are exactly the oposite which is why they are considered competition. I am not the only one here that thinks that the competition is tough. Which it is by the way. If everyone though like you, Dodge and GM woulnd't sell any trucks at all. But since there are other people buying trucks with brains in their heads, and that look at more than what the emblem on the hood is, the competition does get consideration, and does sell. I don't need numbers to back that up.

Look at most of the good posts in this thread. People that have or do own Dodge and GM pickups think that they are just as good as the offerings from Ford. I will wager you any money that If I put you blind into a Dodge truck for a test drive and told you it was a Ford, you would love it, and praise it to no end. Put you in a Ford SD, tell you its a Dodge, and you will complain about everything that could be complained about. It lacks power, the ride sucks, the interior is too crammed...ect, are all things that you would probably say.

Fact is, like it or not, that Ford is not superior. Nor is Dodge, GM, Toyota, Honda, or Nissan. They all have their ups and downs.(BTW I am still waiting for your pros and cons list for Ford VS Dodge. As you said a while back, Dodge's cons outweigh their pros. Still nothing to back that up) But the trash that you post is just getting ridiculous. Take a minute and read what you wrote in your last post. I mean, how much BS can one fit into a single post? Your are entitled to your opinion by all means. But if its a strong opinion, support it with an educated post. Or, if you're not capable of making an educated post, at least make it look like you know what you are talking about. Don't just post garbage that looks like its written by a 12 year old.

Now, if you could be so kind and do me a favor. Go read my post on pg.6. Post #106 of this thread. Read it carefully, and consider some of the things that I went over. That may help you in your crash back down to earth. Into the real automotive world. Or one up that favor, and read the entire thread over again. You may learn something. Here is a thread over at dodgetalk.com that may interest you:

Would you buy a Ram again?

Funny, talking tou you or Lariat for that matter, you would think that nobody EVER buys another Dodge truck after owning one. Even funnier, you're wrong..........again. Interesting to note that there was a guy there who bought a brand new 05 F-150. He had it for a grand total of 10 days before trading it in on a Ram, after spending 6 grand on repairs. Looks like Ford isn't so perfect after all 150Ford.

Suprisingly enough, Dodge does have repeat buyers. Who woulda thought?

I am done my rant now. Good luck on your journey back to earth 150Ford.


Best Regards.

 

After reading through that link (which was quite interesting, thanks Musclecar_Fan).
It appears that most of the owners purchased a Ram for 1 of 2 reasons:
1. The looks
2. The HEMI

Personally, neither of these factors would influence me buying a truck, the trucks ability to work, and work hard is my biggest consideration.
While neither of those factors influence me, the question begs, if you are buying it for the looks, and the HEMI, why not buy a 300C instead???
It'll go faster, and get better gas mileage to boot.

It appeared that few Cummins owners posted on that thread.
Very few of them mention reliability, and it appears that even fewer of the owners actually work their trucks.
I didn't notice too many bad comments against Ford, apart from disliking the looks, and the F150's bed height

Apart from the 1 guy that had the rear end fall out after 1100miles - not saying it should have happened, but it certianly isn't representative of all F150's - I don't believe that there were many issues with the users that had previously owned Ford products.

Is that a fair summation?

 

Agree with you 100% BigF350. I appreciate you taking the time and reading through that thread.

I on no way think that the issue with the F-150s rear end is representative of all F-150s. You and I both know that the F-150 is a great truck. But that just goes to show that nothing is perfect. Thats the point that I was trying to drive home to 150Ford.

About the Dodge trucks. Alot of guys buy the Rams for the two things that you mentioned.

1. The Looks
2. The Hemi

Thats all fine and dandy. But if Dodge trucks were as inferior as 150Ford, and a few others make them out to be, would these guys be buying them time and time again? I don't think so. Even if it looks good, and has the Hemi, they wouldn't buy them if they were crap. And that just proves my point even further. When it somes to trucks, in this day and age, nothing is trash, or inferior to another. Everything has its ups and downs. Really, unless you get a complete lemmon of a truck, you can't go wrong with any of the Big 3 offerings when in comes to pickups. They are all winners in my book.

What really matters is the choice. There is something for everyone out there. To each his own.


Best as always.

 

Thats right 350 people buy the Dodge for the hemi and looks. Also because off the cummins. Take those 3 things away and Dodge doesnt sell trucks. Its a fact Dodge has the least loyalty when it comes to truck buyers. Sorry muslecar I like Fords this is a Ford site and most people here thinks Fords better then anything else.

 

I agree Musclecar_Fan, I don't think in this day and age you can get a seriously bad car from ANY manufacturer.
Some are slightly worse than others, but in comparison to the likes of the late 70's, these are all fantastic cars/trucks.
I don't care about looks, but I can understand some people do.
I care about engine power delivery, the ability to start whenever I need it to, traverse rough ground, be available with a stick, and to haul/tow ridicuously heavy loads at rather obscene speeds

Just buy what suits your needs thats all.
An F350 suits mine.

 

I'm with 150ford.....Ford trucks are the best.....bar none. I've had bad experiences with Chevy's and Dogdes....both disappointments. I'm allowed to 'feel' that way, but it's also based on experience. Obviously not based on the entire lot of samples....but it was enough to convince me never get anything but a Ford truck again.

Why do people buy Dodge/GM? Cost. Without doing extensive cost comparisons, the Ford trucks are around $10k more expensive. Hey, lesson in life....you get what you pay for!!!

My good buddy (a cheap skate) got him a 2003 Dodge with a Cummings....he hasn't had any 'major' problems but definately more than he'll admit. Truck wise, you can just feel the quality difference. Also, his crew cab is just crammped, adults really can't sit in the back. It's lame. My 2004 6.0L PSD has never been in the shop, neither has my parents 2003 6.0L PSD. Oh, and they actually have 'real' crew cabs.

I personally don't like the very narrow powerband the Cummings offers. While it has a reliable reputation, the PSD and Duramax have a much wider and contollable powerband. I live in the mountains and it snows a lot. I honestly noticed the Cummings trucks slipping and slidding around. They can't control the power, it all comes too quick and too narrow. While my 6.0L PSD was much more controllable. When I needed a little power I could, when I need a lot, I can!

 

Um, last time I checked, Dodge was the WORST in the big 3 when comparing repeat customers, and I believe it was somewhere around 87% of people who bought a Dodge didn't buy one the next time they went to get a new vehicle, so they aren't buying them "time and time again"...Sorry to rain on your parade, what are the repeat buyer's numbers from last year? I looked them up last time we had this argument, you look them up this time...

 

Sorry Lariat, I don't look compare products by the number of repeat buyers. Did you even care to check out the link I provided? There you will clearly see that Dodge does have "loyal" buyers, that do indeed buy Dodge time and time again. If you had actually taken the time to read through that thread you would realize exactly what I am talking about. And those are Ram owners of the past and present. Some have owned all Dodge, some have bounced around to all makes. I never said anything about Dodge having the highest rate of repeat buyers. So why do you feel the need to pint out that they have the lowest? I said that they do indeed have loyal, and repeat buyers, and backed it up with the link.

You choose to rebuke my arguement yet you fail to provide any evidence supporting yours. I am not going to look up the the numbers. Personally I couldn't care less what they are. Take of the Blue Oval Blinders you are wearing and actually read my posts. Take a look at the link I provided. Seems that there is alot of happy Dodge/Ram owners that wouldn't think twice about buying another Dodge.

Weather it be for the HEMI, the looks or the Cummins. To each his own. If people buy the Ram for the Hemi, and looks, how exactly does that make the Dodge a lesser truck? Some buy the For dfor the ride quality. Does that mean that it has poor build quality? a bad ride? a weak motor? Of course not. There are many factors that alter ones decision when buying a truck.

When are you going to wake up and realize what almost everyone else here has. Ford isn't the only company making trucks. Like BigF350 pointed out, we are in a day and age where the competition is tight. There is no one dominant company, and no one dominant truck. They are all winners. Its all about the ups and downs. Every product has them. Its only the blind enthusiasts such as yourself that seem to think that its all ups for Ford, and all downs for everything else.

So join 150Ford, crash back down to earth, and take a long hard look at the competition. Its there, you just have to find it. You just may realize thet there is more than Ford on the playing field.


Best regards.

 

Just before what I said gets misinterpreted, I shall clarify...

I don't believe there is a BAD truck on sale today (this includes the 6.0l PSD).
However there are trucks that suit peoples needs better.
Apart from the fact I can't buy a Dodge or a GM here in Australia - and no I am not of the cynical opinion that they aren't confident of selling their vehicles in one of the harshest environments in the world, they just don't make them in RHD thats all.

Haven driven both the Dodge and GM on trips to the US last year, I personally found the following with the engines:
04 model Dodge 2500 SLT 4x4 CTD manual, Quad Cab, long box.
Low rpm torque was impressive, but engine didn't feel powerful.
Part throttle response was very good, but full throttle response was less than over whelming.
Engine felt great for pulling stumps out on the farm, but not that great for cruising at 70 pulling a 10000lb trailer.

04 model GM 2500HD LT 4x4 Duramax Auto, Crew Cab, Short box.
Engine never felt that strong, power delivery was nice and linear, just more of it would have been nice!!!
Probably would be good with a tuner, but stock it wasn't all that impressive.

05 model Ford F250 XLT 4x4 PSD Auto, Crew Cab, Short box.
Didn't have lots of low down torque, and had some turbo lag, but the Auto masked it remarkably well.
Engine really felt strong, I felt full throttle response was nothing short of phenomenal (sp?).
Its powerband was really good for cruising at 70mph.

These were my obserrvations, thats all.

Given that milage apeared to be similar between all of them, and I still believe that there is no BAD truck out of all of them, I felt (if the 6.0l was available here) it would be most suited to my needs, and the needs of the majority of users out there.
But there are people out there who would prefer a Duramax, or a Cummins for whatever reason.
Thats fine.

 

You know the only vehicles that have ever left me stranded on the side of the road have been Fords. Makes sense because I have never owned anything else, until this year. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather it was a Ford, PSD is not an option for me though.

Cost was not an issue with me when I bought my new 2005 Dodge/Cummins. There was simply no reason to my mind to spend the extra $10,000.00 on a truck. Especially one that doesn't have the Cummins in it. If you think spending more money on something makes it better, there is a saying for that...Fools and their money are soon parted.
You mentioned the adults not fitting into the crewcabs. That is funny because 3 grown men can fit in the back seat of mine comfortably.

Logical Heritic already told you that they have the same power band the Cummins is down lower and thereby has better driveability. And I have already told you there is no G in Cummins. If you don't believe me go look at the Cummins logo on your buddies truck.

 

Well, I've owned Chevys, and fords (well, F-250s anyway) I've never owned a Dodge, but have testdriven them. I've never been a particular fan of Cummins -but I'll tip my hat to Dodge for taking a proven diesel and using it (always been fond of Cats and Detroits, if you're talking large engines ala big-rigs, and couldn't stand Macks (very sturdy engines, just don't like 'em)) This is not my first SuperDuty (currently a '99 F250 7.3psd) and it won't be my last.
Btw, this truck (as all of mine have) works, its not just a grocery-getter.

 

Fact: the Dogdes so-called crew cab is actually only a 3/4 bench. Adults rub their knees, I've been in both, the Fords are true full benches in the back. There's no comfort for adults in the back. You need to sit in both...you'll see. Why else would Dodge actually release a new mega cab! A full bench finally.

Look at the engine specs. The Cummins do NOT have the same powerband. 'band' stands for width looking at the HP/Torque curves. The Cummins in NOT the same width. The PSD is much, much wider. I prefer a wide powerband....much more flexible and better driveability.

 

When I bought my truck last fall, I priced Ford, Dodge, Chevrolet and Toyota and I found trucks as close to the same as I could find. There wasn't $500 difference between any of them and the Ford had the most options and the Toyota the least. If all had been equipped exactly equally, I could have bought the Ford the cheapest. I bought the Ford simply because it was the only standard cab with room inside to carry groceries, luggage and other items inside behind the seats (and I like the looks).

 

Ford does have the toughest most nicely equiped and the Ford SD is by far the best looking truck on the market. Here comes the BUT.
But the 6.0 and the auto trans are so plaugued with problems that there wont so be a new one in my drive.( expeirence not opinion )
I wont be buying Dodge,Jap,or GM either I'll just wait for the powers that be a Ford to quit smoking that cheap dope. I wouldn't trade my 7.3 for atrain load of 6.0.

Pat