Cummins does something right
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If you think about it, almost all of the PSD's issues have been rectified.
Also, if you think about how many of those vehicles have been sold - I would imagine well over 1/2 a million - and then think about how many people on this site - the largest Ford Truck site - have reported problems.
Also remember that this site is full of Enthusiasts, people who prehaps push the limits more than the average user, and people who are generally far more capable of picking up the likes of a small driveability issue.
Also, people are quite often atracted to a site like this because of a problem with their vehicle, they want to research the issue further etc.
So this site recieves far more than its fair share of users with issues.
Sure someone may know 30 people with 6.0l's, and they all may have spent over a month in the workshop.
However, given the popularity of this truck, is 30 (or even 1000, thats if you have 1000 friends) an accurate sample?
There a LOT of people out there with a 6.0l with NO problems at all, people who actually like their 6.0l.
Imagine that!!!
Also, if you think about how many of those vehicles have been sold - I would imagine well over 1/2 a million - and then think about how many people on this site - the largest Ford Truck site - have reported problems.
Also remember that this site is full of Enthusiasts, people who prehaps push the limits more than the average user, and people who are generally far more capable of picking up the likes of a small driveability issue.
Also, people are quite often atracted to a site like this because of a problem with their vehicle, they want to research the issue further etc.
So this site recieves far more than its fair share of users with issues.
Sure someone may know 30 people with 6.0l's, and they all may have spent over a month in the workshop.
However, given the popularity of this truck, is 30 (or even 1000, thats if you have 1000 friends) an accurate sample?
There a LOT of people out there with a 6.0l with NO problems at all, people who actually like their 6.0l.
Imagine that!!!
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That's exactly why I said that recalls and TSBs are a bigger issue than how many threads were started over problems...
Also, "Us Ford boys" don't necessarily all want Cummins engines in our trucks, that just the people here who even voted, and again, that's not reflective of the entire market...
Also, "Us Ford boys" don't necessarily all want Cummins engines in our trucks, that just the people here who even voted, and again, that's not reflective of the entire market...
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ok well here is a safe assumption. ok ..... there are a lot more people out there that want a cummins in there truck then people who want a duramax or PSD combined in there truck.
the poll needs to read, if ford was going to offer a cummins engine rated at the same hp and torque as the PSD which one would you pick providing both were the same price?
25% said they wanted the PSD over the cummins i would do a lot of foolish things. this would be ideal if only everyone could vote only once.
this would not reflect the entire population but it would be a big majority of the ford enthusiast.
the poll needs to read, if ford was going to offer a cummins engine rated at the same hp and torque as the PSD which one would you pick providing both were the same price?
25% said they wanted the PSD over the cummins i would do a lot of foolish things. this would be ideal if only everyone could vote only once.
this would not reflect the entire population but it would be a big majority of the ford enthusiast.
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Ford did own some Cummins stock, Cummins bought it back in 1997.
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Originally Posted by FordLariat
That's exactly why I said that recalls and TSBs are a bigger issue than how many threads were started over problems...
Also, "Us Ford boys" don't necessarily all want Cummins engines in our trucks, that just the people here who even voted, and again, that's not reflective of the entire market...
Also, "Us Ford boys" don't necessarily all want Cummins engines in our trucks, that just the people here who even voted, and again, that's not reflective of the entire market...
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From: pound
Originally Posted by duramaximizer
ok well here is a safe assumption. ok ..... there are a lot more people out there that want a cummins in there truck then people who want a duramax or PSD combined in there truck.
LH, they would only be relevant if you had polled every truck owner, other than that, it's just opinions of people on message boards, and that doesn't even garauntee that they even own HD trucks...
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More Cummins powered Dodges are sold than D-max powered GM pickups. GM has a strong market for their gas powered HDs, selling only about 30% with the D-max, while Ford and Dodge only sell about 30% with gas engines. The D-max only out sold the Cummins one year, around 2002. That changed in 03 when the Dodge was redesigned. Looks to me like some people want the Cummins.
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Did you vote FL?
I guess there could be a lot of excuses why a non ford product would win on a ford site. Or it could simply be that some of us can acknowledge when something is better. Even if used by the competition.
If the poll was of a completely random 100 people. It would be somewhat accurate. Seeins how the poll was of 100 ford enthusiasts. I think maybe you should just accept that many people, the majority, think its a better engine. Even if you dont think so. So according to this, not so random, poll. The majority of pollees thought the 5.9 was a better engine. In a democracy. Majority rules.
Several decades ago the majority of americans thought achohol was resposible for the social ills. So they banned it. Banned booze!!!! Whats the heck does the majority know anyways.
I guess there could be a lot of excuses why a non ford product would win on a ford site. Or it could simply be that some of us can acknowledge when something is better. Even if used by the competition.
If the poll was of a completely random 100 people. It would be somewhat accurate. Seeins how the poll was of 100 ford enthusiasts. I think maybe you should just accept that many people, the majority, think its a better engine. Even if you dont think so. So according to this, not so random, poll. The majority of pollees thought the 5.9 was a better engine. In a democracy. Majority rules.
Several decades ago the majority of americans thought achohol was resposible for the social ills. So they banned it. Banned booze!!!! Whats the heck does the majority know anyways.
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So Cummins doesn't make as much as Navistar in the light-duty market. Big whoop. That doesn't mean that they don't turn a huge profit. The light-duty market isn't the only market out there. Yes I agree IF Cummins could have started a contract with Ford that probably would have been a better business deal for them blah blah blah. I'm sure they don't lose sleep over it. Besides as you say Ford went with the better engine anyway.
As for Ford doing better because they have the better engine, that's illogical speculation. If the 6.0 is that much better, why are they scrapping it in favor of the redesigned 6.4? Also- people will buy a Dodge just for the Cummins even though the Ram is the lesser truck. Would anyone else buy a vehicle just for the engine besides Cummins fans?
FordLariat the reason you don't remember Ford buying a percentage of Cummins is because you were 9 years old at the time. I don't remember it either because I was 11, but it happened.
As for Ford doing better because they have the better engine, that's illogical speculation. If the 6.0 is that much better, why are they scrapping it in favor of the redesigned 6.4? Also- people will buy a Dodge just for the Cummins even though the Ram is the lesser truck. Would anyone else buy a vehicle just for the engine besides Cummins fans?
FordLariat the reason you don't remember Ford buying a percentage of Cummins is because you were 9 years old at the time. I don't remember it either because I was 11, but it happened.
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Actually I think the poll was very intersting and accurate. On a site where Ford Enthusiats hang out, more said they wanted the Cummins then the PSD. The gap between the two might grow even more when regular non-enthusiats were polled. No one can deny the Cummins as a very durable and reliable motor, no one has that repuation, even the 7.3L had more problems then the Cummins. The 6.0L's are still having quite a few issues with them (check the 6.0L forum), too bad Ford got rid of the 7.3L, what a superior motor compared to the 6.0L.
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[QUOTE=Logical Heritic]
I guess there could be a lot of excuses why a non ford product would win on a ford site. Or it could simply be that some of us can acknowledge when something is better. Even if used by the competition.
If the poll was of a completely random 100 people. It would be somewhat accurate. Seeins how the poll was of 100 ford enthusiasts. I think maybe you should just accept that many people, the majority, think its a better engine. Even if you dont think so. So according to this, not so random, poll. The majority of pollees thought the 5.9 was a better engine. In a democracy. Majority rules.
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What makes you think all the posters here are Ford enthusiasts? I suspect many of the posts are fabricated by people who are not fans of Ford or maybe not even own a vehicle. When I go to forums of other brands and brouse, some of the posts complaining about problems with that brand of vehicle have familiar wording and phrasing.
I guess there could be a lot of excuses why a non ford product would win on a ford site. Or it could simply be that some of us can acknowledge when something is better. Even if used by the competition.
If the poll was of a completely random 100 people. It would be somewhat accurate. Seeins how the poll was of 100 ford enthusiasts. I think maybe you should just accept that many people, the majority, think its a better engine. Even if you dont think so. So according to this, not so random, poll. The majority of pollees thought the 5.9 was a better engine. In a democracy. Majority rules.
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What makes you think all the posters here are Ford enthusiasts? I suspect many of the posts are fabricated by people who are not fans of Ford or maybe not even own a vehicle. When I go to forums of other brands and brouse, some of the posts complaining about problems with that brand of vehicle have familiar wording and phrasing.