I forgot to add. I do not have an automatic so that was not a concern. As for the 0-60 runs, what is the process to change the tune on the SCMT. Is it as simple as a ****. I really don't know since I never worry about the tune on my tranny.

 

Hey guys... Still waiting to hear from banks, they haven't returned any of my messages from last week. As I was reading post 103, I also had done extensive research on the Banks products prior to purchasing it. As the salesman assured me it cannot harm my motor in any way due to the Banks 6 Gun would shut itself down automatically if it detected any high temps., etc. Also told me that if there would be any problems, they would be there to help me out. When I first heard the knocking noise, and I called banks, the several techs they had me talk to all said that the knocking was normal, it would be louder than when it was stock. Now look where I'm at - they won't even return my 3 phone calls from last week... Some help they are...Their tech service sucks, and now I'm questioning their credibility !!! Will keep you updated..... Sand King

 

Sand King, that is just horrible. I have personally seen the Banks unit shut down on a Dodge due to a slipping tranny. It sounds like you have just had a run of bad luck and now bad service.

 

Sand King, I too have done some searches and I don't find anywhere in writing where Banks has that good of warranty and service. It goes to show you to question sales people and have them show you in writing and check references.

 

IMO you will NEVER hear from them...it is all sales pitch....they are not credible at all!

Have we... here in FTE ...ever read or know of them stepping up.....they will not even answer email how in the heck would you ever expect them to warranty anything..

 

Personally...I'd get counsel and immediately file a complaint on Banks in the nearest Superior court. Or force Ford to "prove" that the Banks unit caused the damage. You can go after Banks for being jerks and ruining your engine or go after Ford for not honoring that federal act.
Just my .2cents.

 

Or both....

 

The warranty that accompanies the product is very clear. It basically says you are out of luck. I no longer have a scanner here to scan it in so if someone wants me to fax this page to them let me know with a pm (private message).

One excerpt from the page I am reading states, "In no case does the obligation of Gale Banks Engineering exceed the original purchase price of the product as indicated on the original bill of sale" Well for a $600 unit if it blows up your motor they are liable for $600. Good luck in court. It is basically the same warranty as the rest of the modules IMO. It all boils down to what product you want to risk taking a chance on. Unfortunately it looks like the sales guys at Banks are not very honest in their approach.

 

I have to agree. I am running the same setup as Jasfaa and thus far it has been ok. I don't run my truck hard and am really trying to get the most fuel economy out of it. I don't see how you can fry your engine unless your running the snot out of it.

 

While i agree Banks sales pitches are shady(i know 1st hand) how do we know that SandKing didn't use the product in an unsafe manner.IE, towing on level 6 with the speedloader maxed out.

I feel sorry for him and his troubles but until the situation is sorted out then Ford blames the consumer and Banks, Banks blames the consumer and Ford and SandKing is caught in the finger pointing.

I wonder if his 6-gun has a memory setting that Banks could look at the see what was going on at the time of failure?

And i'm really interested to see if for once SandKing's experienece will make Ford diagnose and reveal the exact proof of the damage and why it is or isn't(most likely) their fault.
I have never heard of Ford doing this. Only heard of them denying claims and not diagnosing why . Burden of proof?
Where,where,where..?

 

Well...just because there is some text in a "warranty" booklet or something doesn't mean there isn't strict product liability for both companies. The engine failed on a brand new truck. Even if there is some fault on the part of the owner, it's contributory negligence, not an "out of luck" situation. The Federal Act protects the owner when he modifies his truck...strict liability and tort law protect the owner when there is a catastropic failure on something so new with a warranty that does not specify the exact product as an exclusion, ie: the Fed Act. He's got a good chance of a settlement from both parties prior to any court action because they know it's cheaper to replace the motor, than pay legal costs for a year.
I'd give it a shot and find a good attorney.

 

Hey Guys... Responding to Post #115, I was driving down I-5 at #3 setting on the speed loader with a group of other trailers/motorhomes. Before I went thru my first tank of fuel, was when I had first heard the knocking...I assumed it was more of a Ford problem vs. a Banks problem cause of the sales pitch that it would shut down if overloaded, etc. Again I tried calling banks this morning, again still no response....Ford verbally tells me they are denying claim due to spray pattern on the pistons, but they refuse to put it in writing... If anyone is interested in seeing some pictures of that, I do have some. Just send me a pm (private message) and I will send to you.

 

After all of this banks talk, I think I'm glad I dropped my gunner and loader and went with an edge juice/attitude combo. All else though, I haven't been here for 2 or 3 weeks cause my computer shot you know what and had to get sent back to dell. (Dude don't get a dell) But I have read the post. Anyway, It sounds to me like your speedloader failed. The banks unit standing alone does not limit egt's. The speed loader does, and it seems that it didn't do its job. I would tell banks this very same thing. If they won't return your calls, go to a friends house, cause FYI banks has caller ID. They knew who I was everytime I called. Tell them you want to speak with the highest person there. Tell them your problem, and don't tell them your name until they ask for it.

Just my 2 cents

 

Do you have an EGT gauge? Did you notice high temps?

 

I think an Edge will fry an engine just as quickly as a Banks if treated the wrong way- and I doubt that that company will do any more than Banks when confronted with a request for a new $15K engine. We all just have to remember that WE take the risk when trying to operate a Ford product outside its intended operating range.

To be safe- use a tuner- I can tell you first hand that they run at least 200 degrees cooler for similar HP increases, and I have purchased every Banks product offered for the 6.0 (Big Hoss w/o the gauges- used Autometer), so I’m not without experience.

When and airline puts "aftermarket" parts in an aircraft engine, we deny warranty if we determine the parts caused a system effect that caused a failure. The OEM has won. Trust me. Plus, the warranties we give on those engiens are huge and very descript. The operator takes full responsibility for aftermarket part consequences. Now, that being said, both parties will spend thousands, and possibly even hundreds of thousands of dollars investigating the failure- because the repair bill can be several million dollars. OK- this is a bit of apples and oranges, but the theme is consistent with what we are talking about here- don’t mod it unless you are willing to step up and face the consequences. Sorry some here have had bad things happen- you know what they say- “bad things happen to good people”.

Unfortunatley, my two cents plus yours will not help our friend get a new engine- best of luck to you sand King Ranch.