That is why new manifolds only cost $98 (ford's cost). I took my downpipe out in one piece so if i ever tear anything up, the manifold will be replace, the entire facotry exhaust put back on, and the chips pulled. The way there will be no questions asked

 

It is called "freeze frame" data and is stored. You can reset the PCM and clear all that but it will leave a P1000 code that it has been reset.

 

News to me! I have never seen any chip leave any code! P1000 code? SBV45 can you explain where you found this code information?

 

Sand King Ranch check your private mail.

 

if iam not mistaken, isnt there the magnusson/brown act(hope i said the proper nameof the act).. that states a modification can be installed and in the event of a failure the vehicle manufacture has to prove the modification caused the failure.. this is where banks and their warranty/engineers/ lawyers, etc... should have a answer for ford or any manufacture...thanks, eric....

 

Hitecdan,thanks got it ,and I've been checking it out...and I've got more Q's for ford on monday...this has been one big headache can not sleep at night....it my baby !!!

 

It is in the service manual. In the Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis section. It says:

The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Reset allows the scan tool to command the PCM to clear all emission-related diagnostic information. When resetting the PCM, a DTC P1000 will be stored in the PCM until all the OBD system monitors or components have been tested to satisfy a drive cycle, without any other faults occurring. For more information about a drive cycle, refer to Drive Cycles in this section. Clearing DTCs from the vehicle-specific RETRIEVE/CLEAR CONTINUOUS MEMORY DTCs will clear all systems, including the OBD systems. Clearing DTCs from the OBD generic menu will only clear OBD features for the 6.0L diesel.

The following events occur when a PCM reset is performed:

Clears the number of Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC).
Clears the DTCs.
Clears the freeze frame data.
Resets status of the OBD system monitors.
Sets DTC P1000 as a vehicle-specific DTC. P1000 will not appear as an OBD DTC.


Disconnect the negative lead from the battery for a minimum of 5 minutes.

After KAM has been reset, DTCs P1000 and P0603 will be stored in the PCM.

That's not all of what it says, but that is the main idea.

With the Predator, restoring the original program will not leave any codes unless there were codes existing when the original was stored.

Just a point here, too. There are fuel boxes and tuners. Often there is reference to chips, but what they are is a box like Edge, Banks that puts a module in line with the PCM that modifies the fuel flow. A tuner actually stores the originial PCM software, modifies the program and uploads it to the PCM.

 

The link below is to a document on the Motorcraft website that describes the PCM /OBD operation. It lists a number of codes and diagnostics that may help with questions for Ford.

OK, I can't post the link. Go to motorcraftservice and then technical resources and look for 2005MY OBD System Operation Summary for 6.0 Diesel.

 

sand King Ranch,
Any feedback?

 

P1000 is a default code that is set in the instance that a full OBD cycle hasnt been completed for any particular sensor. in other words, P1000 says that this vehicle hasnt been driven enuf or in enuf differing situations for the pcm to have fully processed blah blah........ u get the idea

 

Hey Springer... I wrote a nice letter and faxed it to Ford Motor Co. in Michigan and I haven't heard anything from them as of yet. I'm requestin from them a written statement as to why they are denying my claim, etc. I'll keep you informed as I hear things. thanks, John

 

Is there truly any evidence of a chip leaving a so called CODE? I spend a lot of time around master diesel techs with a lot of training and have'nt heard of any claim being denied do to a programmer or chip.

 

I don't know if this adds much but;
I surfed around & checked out some links. The Magnuson-Moss Act of 1975 in and of itself is more "directive" to businesses in it's language. As a consumer, it's difficult to find a paragraph that offers clear "protection" of your delimma.
I did find a couple of links that I thought were (sort of) helpful.
I'm still a fairly new user & I understand I'm not really supposed to post links, but if the moderator wants to allow it, just let me know.
In the end though, they all pretty much say the same thing: "The Manufacturer has to prove that the modification caused the problem/failure". - That is, to get away with it legally. My experience with it (Many moons ago, I was a Service Director for a large dealership) is that the Dealership Principles (owners) prefer to do "customer-pay" work vs. "warranty pay" because the profit margins are better, so they expect their employees to try to "void" warranties whenever they can get away with it.
You might try another dealership, but it sounds like there's a lot af data/info associated with your VIN number in the system now.
Good Luck.

 

That's my understanding of the Magnuson-Moss act as well, I thought it was 1987 though (modified maybe?). One reason the dealers may prefer customer pay work is that warranty items usually get reimbersed to the dealer based on a job manual that says exactly how many hours the job takes and that's how much the dealer gets, period. Us customers can be billed for as long as the job really takes, plus coffee breaks etc..

 

There have been a couple of examples of that posted on this forum. One, fairly recently. Got to admit that the person left the "chip" in the truck. I have not heard of a denial of claim due to not finding a history. Questions asked, yes. Especially when the failure should have thrown codes and the codes weren't there.

And about the techs, is it possible one never read that part of the manual? Hmmm. Send me a pm with your email with a space on either side of the @ sign and I will send you that part of the manual in pdf format.