Superchips 6.0 Microtuner Thread
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I have an early 03' flash in my truck,I still have pilot injection.My truck runs perfect and has 9000 miles on it. Would it be better for me to get the new flash even if it runs perfect? I was hoping to buy a tuner.
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From: fla
I am a little worried about getting a new flash. My 04 has a 9/03 build date on the sticker on the doof jam, and has the DAX1 on the computer by the battery. Truck runs fine now...... I guess I will have to get the new flash.
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2cobras, macvtt-
If you want to use the tuner you have no option but to reflash. The tuner will see your old version flash and basically tell you "no, you aren't getting my program until you update your flash."
DAX1 is a real problem child, and most are now being flashed to DAX0 by Ford which removes pilot injection, the idle gets smoother, and normal operation gets only slightly louder. This also cures a lot of cold start, cold idle problems.
I've had a dozen DAX1 trucks in the last week, and all but one were already reflashed to DAX0 by Ford. DAX0 seems to be working fine ;o)
If you want to use the tuner you have no option but to reflash. The tuner will see your old version flash and basically tell you "no, you aren't getting my program until you update your flash."
DAX1 is a real problem child, and most are now being flashed to DAX0 by Ford which removes pilot injection, the idle gets smoother, and normal operation gets only slightly louder. This also cures a lot of cold start, cold idle problems.
I've had a dozen DAX1 trucks in the last week, and all but one were already reflashed to DAX0 by Ford. DAX0 seems to be working fine ;o)
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By the way....depending on when you bought your trucks they may actually already be DAX0. Ford reflashes many vehicles on the lot before they are sold if a TSB comes in telling them to do so.
This is one reason why many trucks with a DAX1 sticker on them run fine, and there were even some that miraculously ran ok with the original DAX1 flash.....but we will still not support early pilot injection flashes.
The truth is that Ford doesn't want those flashes in your truck either.
This is one reason why many trucks with a DAX1 sticker on them run fine, and there were even some that miraculously ran ok with the original DAX1 flash.....but we will still not support early pilot injection flashes.
The truth is that Ford doesn't want those flashes in your truck either.
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I have just heard to many others say not to get your truck reflashed if it runs fine. Vic ,Do you think I should have it relashed even though it is perfect?I want my truck to be reliable and have the power it does now,many have said they have less power and get worse mpg after Ford reflashed their trucks.
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It really is for you to decide if you want to get a reflash or not.
If you want a superchips tune, you MUST have it reflashed or the tuner will not allow your truck any of our files.
You may lose a little power with the reflash, and I do mean a little, I had one lose 6 HP after the update, and this could be due to atmospheric conditions, etc...
stock -6 +150 still equals a lot of ponies
All the true DAX1's that I've driven have had problems...a reflash to DAX0 cured the problems.
Of course, DAX1 is not the only pilot injection code.....this is why we gave a date for reference.
Any flashes released by Ford prior to 9/29/03 are not and will not be supported.
This is unfortunately non-negotiable.
If you buy a tuner, you will either have to get the update or the tuner will not program your truck.
This is to protect you as well as us.
If you want a superchips tune, you MUST have it reflashed or the tuner will not allow your truck any of our files.
You may lose a little power with the reflash, and I do mean a little, I had one lose 6 HP after the update, and this could be due to atmospheric conditions, etc...
stock -6 +150 still equals a lot of ponies
All the true DAX1's that I've driven have had problems...a reflash to DAX0 cured the problems.
Of course, DAX1 is not the only pilot injection code.....this is why we gave a date for reference.
Any flashes released by Ford prior to 9/29/03 are not and will not be supported.
This is unfortunately non-negotiable.
If you buy a tuner, you will either have to get the update or the tuner will not program your truck.
This is to protect you as well as us.
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I can back Vic on the flash statement ...
even though the flash took something from us...
the gains that you can get from the Diablo and I presume the Superchips FAR outweigh the losses...
The Diablo with +100HP is crazy fast in this heavy a vehicle...
less than two second 60 foot on street tires is GODD, and if in a 8K lb truck it's GREAT!
I can only salivate over what +150HP would do ?!?!
let's see, that's 33% MORE than the Diablo ?
220 ftlb of torque is not a LOT more than Diablo's claim of around 200 though...
I would think @ 150 you'd be higher ?
but no matter, come on Diablo, step up to the plate and raise the bar again :-)
even though the flash took something from us...
the gains that you can get from the Diablo and I presume the Superchips FAR outweigh the losses...
The Diablo with +100HP is crazy fast in this heavy a vehicle...
less than two second 60 foot on street tires is GODD, and if in a 8K lb truck it's GREAT!
I can only salivate over what +150HP would do ?!?!
let's see, that's 33% MORE than the Diablo ?
220 ftlb of torque is not a LOT more than Diablo's claim of around 200 though...
I would think @ 150 you'd be higher ?
but no matter, come on Diablo, step up to the plate and raise the bar again :-)
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Well.....we were conservative with the numbers.
There are some off-peak torque gains of over 300 FT LBS.
Hell, it makes over 400 ft lbs more than stock at 3700RPM......cut it doesn't rev there stock! We of course can't advertise this as a 400 ft lbs gain....though it is there.
We wanted to make or claims real......so you can throw the truck on a dyno and say "Wow....theres the power!"
The offpeak gains are a pleasant surprise on top of our advertising numbers.
For those who may be a little confused about gains (very easy to be), there is a difference between "gains at peak" and "peak gains".
huh?
"Gain at peak" refers to not the largest gain, but refers to what the gain is at the vehicles highest HP (or torque) point.
For instance, if the truck is making 670 FT lbs at X RPM and it made 445 FT LBS stock at the same RPM, the "gain at peak" is 225 FT LBS. This is the gain in the point of the powerband where the truck makes the most power.
"PEAK GAIN", on the other hand, refers to where the largest GAINS are.
It might make 670 FT LBS at X rpm, and make 550 FT lbs at XX RPM.
It may have made only 250 FT LBS at XX RPM stock, so the gain here is 300 FT LBS.
Make sense?
If there is no larger gain anywhere else in the band than this, then this is your "peak gain"....or the largest gain you will get anywhere in the RPM range with that program.
With that said, our HP/Torque gains we advertise are "gains at peak" and near peak.
They are not peak gains. Ths is why the torque gain numbers aren't monstrous becuase the monster gains are actually off peak.....and this is good because it makes the entire powerband much stronger, longer and smoother...and just makes the customer happier when they see they are actually getting more than 150HP and 225 FTLBS in some areas.
Did I confuse anyone?
When I can release dyno sheets, I'll show and explain.
There are some off-peak torque gains of over 300 FT LBS.
Hell, it makes over 400 ft lbs more than stock at 3700RPM......cut it doesn't rev there stock! We of course can't advertise this as a 400 ft lbs gain....though it is there.
We wanted to make or claims real......so you can throw the truck on a dyno and say "Wow....theres the power!"
The offpeak gains are a pleasant surprise on top of our advertising numbers.
For those who may be a little confused about gains (very easy to be), there is a difference between "gains at peak" and "peak gains".
huh?
"Gain at peak" refers to not the largest gain, but refers to what the gain is at the vehicles highest HP (or torque) point.
For instance, if the truck is making 670 FT lbs at X RPM and it made 445 FT LBS stock at the same RPM, the "gain at peak" is 225 FT LBS. This is the gain in the point of the powerband where the truck makes the most power.
"PEAK GAIN", on the other hand, refers to where the largest GAINS are.
It might make 670 FT LBS at X rpm, and make 550 FT lbs at XX RPM.
It may have made only 250 FT LBS at XX RPM stock, so the gain here is 300 FT LBS.
Make sense?
If there is no larger gain anywhere else in the band than this, then this is your "peak gain"....or the largest gain you will get anywhere in the RPM range with that program.
With that said, our HP/Torque gains we advertise are "gains at peak" and near peak.
They are not peak gains. Ths is why the torque gain numbers aren't monstrous becuase the monster gains are actually off peak.....and this is good because it makes the entire powerband much stronger, longer and smoother...and just makes the customer happier when they see they are actually getting more than 150HP and 225 FTLBS in some areas.
Did I confuse anyone?
When I can release dyno sheets, I'll show and explain.
Last edited by Vic_Ferrari; Apr 28, 2004 at 09:25 PM. Reason: typo
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Vic...
Nope - perfectly understandable to most of us here....
even those of us from Texus :-)
in fact, some of the sharper tacks already know that !!!!
and since some may have been doing SAS programming for 30 years, KNOW the games that can be played with statistics :-)
Like you say... it's best to be conservative to ensure it doesn't disappoint... but you have to show enough to make us salivate :-)
Nope - perfectly understandable to most of us here....
even those of us from Texus :-)
in fact, some of the sharper tacks already know that !!!!
and since some may have been doing SAS programming for 30 years, KNOW the games that can be played with statistics :-)
Like you say... it's best to be conservative to ensure it doesn't disappoint... but you have to show enough to make us salivate :-)
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
The magic date for flashes is 9/29/03.
If you have a flash earlier than this, you need to update your flash before using the tuner.
Also, this is a bit weird and out of sequence on Fords part:
DAX1 processors will need to be updated to DAX0.
DAX1 still uses pilot injection and these stock files are a serious problem.
If you have a PCM labeled DAX1 (PCM is wedged between battery and driver side fender), please check your records and make sure you have been updated to a DAX0 or another code other than DAX1.
If you have a flash earlier than this, you need to update your flash before using the tuner.
Also, this is a bit weird and out of sequence on Fords part:
DAX1 processors will need to be updated to DAX0.
DAX1 still uses pilot injection and these stock files are a serious problem.
If you have a PCM labeled DAX1 (PCM is wedged between battery and driver side fender), please check your records and make sure you have been updated to a DAX0 or another code other than DAX1.
Last edited by softwizard; Apr 28, 2004 at 10:38 PM.
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2 cobras-
Any Superchips tuner can be updated (provided there is an update available).If there is no update available and your situation requires an update (drivaility issue, need for recalibration, etc...we will create an update for you if necessary)
softwizard-
I'm ready to go head to head =o)
Are they?
Any Superchips tuner can be updated (provided there is an update available).If there is no update available and your situation requires an update (drivaility issue, need for recalibration, etc...we will create an update for you if necessary)
softwizard-
I'm ready to go head to head =o)
Are they?