I sent a e-mail to Edelbrock with questions about the heads and intake they make for my specific model of truck. This is the reply I got back from them.

Intake: #3841

Heads: #60379

These components can be used without any issues.


Sincerely,
The Edelbrock Tech. Dept.



That's nifty. Now I just need to find those Speed Density friendly cams and I can go about this without doing anything to the computer. That Venom controll module still looks pretty interesting though. I'm definitely going to look into that.

 

Good Luck with the whole thing, and drop me a line when you're done! As for me, I'm gonna look into the '94/'95 wiring thing and switch it all over to MAF. Gotta finish a couple other things first, but this will get done sometime this summer!

 

Actually they do make a conversion for a a40d... for the Lightning 150. I got it in my garage. Still haven't tried to set it up. Going to try to set up on a 91 F350 460 ci. I'm told it can be done. Ford Racing part 9000-L58.

gary

 

I've never seen anyone do a swap on a 460. The lightning kit would require some more parts not included in the kit to make it work, even though it is for the correct transmission. By the time everything is accounted for, it would put the cost well over 1000 bucks.

 

I'm pretty sure that is a 2 bolt main, and it'll put out a good amount of hp, but not much torque. That motor is rated at 345hp and only 310ft-lbs. I was going to go w/ that but decided a 351 would be much better.

You can also contact Pro-M and see what kind of kit they might have for you, but it'll be expensive.

 

Hi folks,
Does anyone know why the AOD conversion Kit won't work for the E4OD? Does this particular module manage the transmission as well as the EFI and Ignition? I also have a 92 5.0 with an E4OD and I was getting pretty pumped about doing a conversion to MAF until a read this page. Now I'm bummed out man. Just curious.
Thanks

 

Hey MustangGT211 I was looking at another block. A 5.0L/302 Short Block. It's only the blocks, pistons, crank, rods, and timing chain with gears and a Explorer high torque hydraulic roller camshaft. Would that produce alot more torque than the 5.0L long block I was previously talking about? And would I run into any problems replacing my stock 302 with it? From the sound of what it says in the Jeg's catalog it would seem this has alot more torque. The thing is I'm sure the 351 would be much better but I honestly don't want to go through the trouble of doing a 302-350 swap. Just not in the mood to hunt for wiring harnesses and computers. Maybe if there were sites dedicated to selling replacement parts to F-Series trucks then I would consider it. Hell I'd consider a 460 swap if I could fine one of those. Back when I owned a Firebird I found alot of websites that sell anything I need to restore the car. There were even used engines with their fuel injection systems included which were perfect for swaps. I woulnd't mind finding one of those sites but for F-series trucks.

 

i installed an m-9000-L58 on my 94 150 w/302 AOD you can run this computer set up w/that transmision. i worked at an engine shop & called ford a few times before doing it. they said it was fine. it ran great. for the firing order it needs to be the same as a mustang/lightning 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. the only thing you need to do is put a mustang cam in it if yours is different. 94-95 are the same as mus/ligh. not sure about 93.

 

I'm sorry that I didn't read all the replies so if I repeat any info please forgive me. I had a '95 5.0 F150 w/AODE (4r70W) that was MAF. I wanted to switch my F250HD ('90 5.8L MT) but at the time there weren't many options ('97). I have posted before on this topic and it has been awhile. Pro-M has the best kits. I posted an address for Professional Flow Technologies before so you can search here or Google.com. Their kits are high quality and I'd trust them as well as a Ford kit. However, they might have discontinued them since the trucks are getting older. Their tech dept. could help though. The main difference among trucks with MT or the old AOD and the ones w/ E4OD (4r100) or AODE (4r70W) is that the electronic transmissions require a compatable pcm. The non electronic trans do not so the kits can be more flexible. Also, for information purposes while I was researching, I was notified by members here that a 5.8L F250 was available in MAF form. I can not say if it was a CA truck or only LD or which trans it had. The model year would have been `'96-97.

The '93 truck shouldn't have a AOD, it could have AODE or the E4OD. As for the 5.8L, you can use part of the kit and furnish your own pcm from one of the F250 mentioned. You'll have to look up the parts # and such and locate one. Other than the pcm, the Ford kit can convert any of the trucks. You might have to modify it some. And presumably if they can use a MAF kit on a modified 5.8L race car, it can be adapted to your truck as well. But you probably don't have their expertise or budget (I don't) nor will they be using an electronic trans. Hope I didn't offend anyone by jumping in on the end. And normally I read as much as I can but I haven't been here in a while and pushed for time. I didn't mean to be cocky or anything either but thought I'd add a little info that was passed on to me previously. If it helps fine, if you have more questions pertaining to details contact me, or disregard the whole reply. Good luck.

 

The FMS kits use mustang computers, specifically 89-93 mustangs, which did not have an electronically controlled transmission. A kit for an AOD will not work with the E4OD. The kit does not change the firing order of the engine - the mass air computer is set up for the 302 order - if you have a 351 firing order, you will have to change some of the injector wiring to correct the injection sequence to match the engine firing order. Tim, those are some good ideas you have there. One thing to note, if someone should go the route of wiring in mass air and using a mass air computer from an F250, just make sure that it is still an EEC-IV computer, and make sure the pin locations all match up. If it's EEC-V (OBD-II) then I wouldn't recommend trying to swap that computer into an older truck.

 

I'm not aware of any 5.8L or 5.0L trucks being OBD-II but I wouldn't be surprised if a '97 MAF F250 was. I'm only recently getting to know the OBD-II since I just got my first one last Sept. Mustang kits use the 5.8L firing order but truck kits for 5.0L trucks are modified Mustang pcms with the right firing order for the truck (or sometimes specify which firing order). That can be changed easy enough by swapping cams or modifying the wiring some. I do remember Professional Flow Technologies telling me (before the 5.8L kits came out, except for Lightning Gen I) that a 5.8L could be made MAF with a Mustang or street rod kit. Wiring harnass would have had to be modified, made longer, and a special pcm could be programmed by them for $200 at the time (~1997). I'm sure those companies that specialize in chips (Superchips, Diablo) could do the same at about the same cost. You do have to match the mass air sensor to the injector size/calibration. I don't remember which firing order my '95 truck had but it was stock and came with MAF and the AODE. All I added was cosmetics and a TransGo shift kit. It got really good MPG and ran strong. It was a regular cab, short bed, and had 3.55 gears also. Good luck to all with their endeavers.

 

Dalamatition, read every post in this thread, https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...3&page=1&pp=30, and you'll learn a lot about that 302 crate motor. That short block is the same bottom end thats on the long block crate motor, just has some heads and valvetrain parts on it.

The OBD-II was in all 96 trucks, I thought all MAF trucks were OBD-II but some people have told me otherwise, not confirmed to me atleast.

 

I have a '97 F350 w/ 5.8L and it IS EEC-IV. My '95 F150 MAF truck was EEC-IV as well. I'm not right all the time or even very often and sometimes I don't communicate very well but I am sure about those 2 trucks.

 

OBD-II did not come out until '96. Everything in the trucks before '96 was OBD, EEC-IV, regardless of whether or not it was mass air (I've said this before, maybe now someone will believe me). The heavy trucks (F250 - up) didn't have to conform to OBD-II regulations the same time as the light trucks, so they had EEC-IV until the redesign in '99.

 

Ahah, makes more sense now. Sry for any confusion.