[QUOTE=OBS460;21230204]I guess I'm more of a pacifist because I don't believe that a shooting someone is even a remotely proper response for an altercation that started with Brake Checking. As I stated in previous posting, I find that I am more prone to avoid conflict when I carry. Things can escalate quickly when tempers flare. I don't think it's being a pu$$y by retreating from an altercation when able. It's the smart thing to do.

 

I’m a long time dirt/mx rider. I ride dirt weekly, and got into street riding a year ago. It never appealed to me before.
that said, it’s impressive to think about busting a mirror with my hand wile passing. Not something I’d ever attempt.

 

Wife and I rode for years. I believe he hit the mirror with some object like a wrench that he carries for just this purpose. At one point we rode with a guy that was known to carry ball bearings that he would toss over his shoulder at a vehicle that would tailgate him. More than one windshield was broken that way.

When my wife and I rode together I always let her take lead position so she didn’t have to deal with tailgaters, when in our truck and cars we always give bikes plenty of room.

 

Shoot someone because they damaged your truck and then you chased them down and they became more violent will land you in jail and loss of the right to carry.

 

It was much more nuanced than your simple explanation.

 

I know of LOTS of similar cases where the defendant must have had the same attorney. They are now doing between 2 and 20 years in the state pen for 2nd degree murder. I've talked to many of them (extraditing them back to court from prison on a bench warrant provides lots of time to talk) and they will often state that the original problem that escalated to deadly force was small/stupid/etc and certainly not worth wasting away for years in prison.

I believe that the point he was making was that he and his wife are pro 2A/self-defense.

 

Maybe, but that's the way it will look like if the worst case happens and the initial victim ends up as the defendant.

 

The point I was trying to make is my wife isn’t just an Ozzie and Harriet housewife.

She is a seasoned ER RN who trained at bellevue hospital in New York. Then worked the ER at Bellevue. Then worked at VA taking care of combat wounded Veterans in NY and Miami. Worked the ER at Military Hospital where I was stationed.

She also had her own Bike when we rode. She didn’t want to ride on the back of mine.

Also has 2,000 hours as a solo pilot in command.

Also supports the 2nd amendment.

Saying all that she voted to find the shooter guilty.

 

[QUOTE=Flyct;21230248]That’s really weird how your quote shows me but that was not my post.

As far as running from altercation…eeeeh, maybe sometimes? A drunk guy that wants to fight? Sure. Someone in your face wanting what you got, no.

my stance on this is its absolutely fine to follow someone that damaged your stuff. It’s within your rights to ask for payment. If they escalate then thats their choice. But I’m still a little foggy as to how this started.

 

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3 Was it possible he may have hit the mirror with a helmet and therefore control of the handlebars was
not compromised as much?

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Trust me, if he took out that mirror with his head ( Helmet ) control of the bike would have been seriously compromised...

 

I can't answer any of those questions because I've never tried to smack someone's mirror. Seems like a fairly dangerous and stupid move based on how close to the vehicle you'd have to be. As a rider and since you asked though, I'll share a few thoughts. First, I'm glad no one got hurt because machines are easier to replace than humans. Second, I get pissed off and embarrassed whenever I see a biker acting like an a-hole because it makes us all look bad. Third, I was really surprised that a guy riding a touring bike would pull a stunt like that because (in my experience) the worst behavior usually comes from young kids on crotch rockets that still don't know any better. Last but not least, close calls on a bike leave you with a different feeling than close calls in a car or truck. When someone cuts you off you're not just angry about possible damage to your bike, you're angry because you have no bodily protection and you might die. That's why bikers tend to take perceived threats a bit more seriously. I'm definitely not trying to justify what the biker did in this case, it seems like he was a real a-hole from the get go by not turning off his brights, even though I can just about guarantee he knew they were blinding. All I'm asking is please don't assume the majority of bikers are like that. Based on my experience, we're not.

 

If you actually saw his hand reach out and smack the glass I'm not calling you a liar, but it makes me wonder... If he passed you going full throttle, he couldn't have hit your mirror with his hand for obvious reasons, but his flagpole could easily be in line with it and make contact as he roared around you.

 

If that is the resume she is turning in for the job of judging what is and isn't self defense I dont see anything applicable.

 

Maybe he was doing that awesome motorbike wave where his hand was out and caught the mirror by mistake with his elbow? You know the one, you've seen it, we all have....