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do nothing till the oil-life indicator says to
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change filter only & do the full oil & filter change when the oil-life is done
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change filter and oil early, if it bothers you that much
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Old Mar 31, 2022 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by aklim
Absolutely. People like you remind me why it is better to hire someone with no experience. They can't stick with the old methods and are open to learning, or at least, more able to learn new things. Don't you think that things have changed in 35 years?
Whatever. I'll put my engineering degrees (yes, plural) and 35+ years of turning wrenches along with ample experience as a test and failure analysis engineer up against your qualifications any day of week and twice on Sunday. I answered the poll and explained the reality of product design and development. In the grand scheme of things the cost of extra (unnecessary in your opinion) oil changes is minimal and but if you need a mindless algorithm that nobody can tell us what the exact parameters are to help you make decisions, more power to you.

 
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Old Mar 31, 2022 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam R
Whatever. I'll put my engineering degrees (yes, plural) and 35+ years of turning wrenches along with ample experience as a test and failure analysis engineer up against your qualifications any day of week and twice on Sunday. I answered the poll and explained the reality of product design and development. In the grand scheme of things the cost of extra (unnecessary in your opinion) oil changes is minimal and but if you need a mindless algorithm that nobody can tell us what the exact parameters are to help you make decisions, more power to you.
Don't care about the degrees or wrenching since it does not pay the bills. I let the lab test speak for itself and guide me as to the accuracy of the algorithm.

As to the parameters, perhaps one of your degrees can crack the code on the ECM and you can see what it is. I don't need to understand why it doesn't or does what. I need to know if it is accurate or not.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2022 | 02:17 PM
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The OLM/IOLM is accurate for its purpose. That is to give you enough margin to know the oil is still protecting the engine when you get the notice pop telling you it's time to change. Oil monitors will never precisely align with analysis since that is a laboratory spectrograph and other measuring tools.
 
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Old Mar 31, 2022 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by C12H24
The OLM and IOLM is accurate for it's purpose. That is to give you enough margin to know the oil is still protecting the engine when you get the notice pop telling you it's time to change. Oil monitors will never precisely align with analysis since that is a laboratory spectrograph and other measuring tools.
Totally agree. The analysis does tell you if it is close enough or way off among other things. If it saves me 1 oil change a year, it will be well worth it. Not just money saving but time. It tells me if I can trust the iolm based on the oil I am using and if a cheaper oil will do or if I need to get a boutique oil. If it is not accurate, I will know to disregard it. If it is accurate enough, I don't have a problem with changing the oil when a machine informs me that it is time to do it any more than I am not accepting of an alarm clock telling me when to wake up.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2023 | 04:12 PM
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This EXTRA only changing the filter early idea, is just for this first oil change, at 25% oil-life left monitor... Then when it says oil-life left is zero% I would change the filter again, and the oil too... Doesn't seem that radical to me, It's an EXTRA step to make sure the filter isn't plugged from the extra brake-in crud that's in there but won't be in the later oil change intervals, thus I would change both at the same time then... It's basically, the same idea most of you have, of changing the oil and filter in the first 1,000 miles... Even thou the oil-life monitor says that the oil and the filter is good for another 95% of life... I'm just saying there in no reason to change the oil too, it's the filter that is/could be a problem if it plugs up totally, and bypasses the oil without filtering... JMO
Old post, hopefully the OP has changed something by now!
Let me help.
The original black FoMoCo filter is assumed to be made by Champion Labs. It's an entry level filter at best, there are a few pics on the web of them cut open., and it's nothing special. I can promise you your factory filter is not clogged, bound, or in any way restricted by BREAK (not brake) in materials in the least. It has a nominal 30 micron rating. What is happening, is that smaller particles from 5 to 20 micron are building up in the oil, suspended by detergents, and causing wear. And this happens especially on new engines during break in as parts wear together during the initial several hundred miles. That's what condemns the oil. It has done it's job, and is full of fuel, soot, and break in material. Your oil at 7500 is spent, period, for a first change interval. Your engine, your dime, but penny wise, pound foolish really. Zero reason to change the filter only, there is no benefit, because it does not address contaminated oil.
An oil change at full retail if you DIY is as cheap as 45.00 if you look around a little. (Mobil HDEO at WalMart, 10.49 a gallon times 4, and a cheap filter. You'll have oil left over. The Wix ProTec is currently 2.49 at RockAuto, and is a decent 5k filter with straight conventional media and good build quality) would be better than factory oil and filter after 7500 miles.
I did my truck at 300, 1000, 3000 and will now run 5k changes from here on out. Am I right? Who knows. But I'm ok with what I've done.
OP had his mind made up, but for others not standing in concrete, this might make you think.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2023 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by carbonation
Old post, hopefully the OP has changed something by now!
Let me help.
The original black FoMoCo filter is assumed to be made by Champion Labs. It's an entry level filter at best, there are a few pics on the web of them cut open., and it's nothing special. I can promise you your factory filter is not clogged, bound, or in any way restricted by BREAK (not brake) in materials in the least. It has a nominal 30 micron rating. What is happening, is that smaller particles from 5 to 20 micron are building up in the oil, suspended by detergents, and causing wear. And this happens especially on new engines during break in as parts wear together during the initial several hundred miles. That's what condemns the oil. It has done it's job, and is full of fuel, soot, and break in material. Your oil at 7500 is spent, period, for a first change interval. Your engine, your dime, but penny wise, pound foolish really. Zero reason to change the filter only, there is no benefit, because it does not address contaminated oil.
An oil change at full retail if you DIY is as cheap as 45.00 if you look around a little. (Mobil HDEO at WalMart, 10.49 a gallon times 4, and a cheap filter. You'll have oil left over. The Wix ProTec is currently 2.49 at RockAuto, and is a decent 5k filter with straight conventional media and good build quality) would be better than factory oil and filter after 7500 miles.
I did my truck at 300, 1000, 3000 and will now run 5k changes from here on out. Am I right? Who knows. But I'm ok with what I've done.
OP had his mind made up, but for others not standing in concrete, this might make you think.
There are filters out there that would take out most of the contaminant's, 99.8 %

Baldwin Filters Spin-On Oil Filter, Length: 2-51/64", Outside Dia. : 2-29/32", Micron Rating: 9.8, Oil Filters & Accessories - Amazon Canada Baldwin Filters Spin-On Oil Filter, Length: 2-51/64", Outside Dia. : 2-29/32", Micron Rating: 9.8, Oil Filters & Accessories - Amazon Canada
 
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