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I am sure you will not get that info from ford short of a court order.. I was asking about the guys that work at the dealerships shops what are they seeing.. are they seeing 1 a month or 1 a day.. not high tech just a point of reference.. how many time has you seen something on the forums A LOT and when you talk to the dealership they are clueless.. only to find out later on it was a big issues.. so are they hiding the obvious it seems.
FWIW, not interested in playing russian roulette and wind up with a $15-20k repair bill. DPK will be going on as soon as it's available OR sell/trade will be invoked...
yeah i hear that for sure.. 15-20K repair bill would result in a fire far as i am concerned.. make you wonder why ford gmc etc use the cp-4.. why not develop your own HP fuel pump like the CP4 with oval cylinders vs round ,, sometime i think car manf are just plain STUPID on some small stuff.. but for the owner it can be a devastating blow.
there is now a supercharger for the 7.3L gasser with some fricken impressive power numbers.. not sure where the mpg shakes out on that but hell no HP fuel pump to go bang and shot you in the head.
FWIW, not interested in playing russian roulette and wind up with a $15-20k repair bill. DPK will be going on as soon as it's available OR sell/trade will be invoked...
This thread makes my head hurt. Now I see why RAM and GM learned their lesson and went away from these, and why Ford now offers a "premium" gasser option.
yeah i hear that for sure.. 15-20K repair bill would result in a fire far as i am concerned.. make you wonder why ford gmc etc use the cp-4.. why not develop your own HP fuel pump like the CP4 with oval cylinders vs round ,, sometime i think car manf are just plain STUPID on some small stuff.. but for the owner it can be a devastating blow.
there is now a supercharger for the 7.3L gasser with some fricken impressive power numbers.. not sure where the mpg shakes out on that but hell no HP fuel pump to go bang and shot you in the head.
FWIW, not interested in playing russian roulette and wind up with a $15-20k repair bill. DPK will be going on as soon as it's available OR sell/trade will be invoked...
He will not. I specifically asked in a video how many injection pump failures they've seen come through the dealership.
He responded by saying he had no idea what I was talking about. I said I am talking about the Bosch CP4 injection pump failing. Again his response was he had no idea what I was talking about, there is no part on the 6.7 called a Bosch CP4 pump and I could even ask at the parts counter and they're going to look at me like I'm crazy because it isn't a thing.
He will not. I specifically asked in a video how many injection pump failures they've seen come through the dealership.
He responded by saying he had no idea what I was talking about. I said I am talking about the Bosch CP4 injection pump failing. Again his response was he had no idea what I was talking about, there is no part on the 6.7 called a Bosch CP4 pump and I could even ask at the parts counter and they're going to look at me like I'm crazy because it isn't a thing.
I could kind of understand not admitting they have a problem or divulging how many they see, since he is a Ford mechanic making videos in a Ford dealership, but to outright say there is nothing on the truck called a Bosch CP4 injection pump?
He was more than likely just messing with you and that was his wise-guy way of saying "I can't/ain't answering that one pal", which in and of itself is a tell IMO. He's more than likely been told at some point by the worthless idiots above him who don't actually do anything important all day that he better keep his mouth shut if he wants to keep his job. That's how they keep little guys in line who know too much. But it's no matter. We already know well enough it's a serious problem and if you choose to go buy a truck with this fuel system anyway, caveat emptor. You've been warned. Personally I would not.
There are class action law suits in play right now
no OEM is going to publicize any data that can be used against them
i personally have seen metal fragments in prior vehicle filters which I bought used so there is no question in my mind the the metal contamination problem is real.
but I do believe if you increase fuel lube, eliminate dry starts from waxing fuel, eliminate condensation , etc, you are not likely to have a problem.
but understand.....take a empty and dry water container and loosely cap it and sit it out side in the cold for a few weeks...water will develop as air expands and contracts
same thing happens in your tanks as air expands and contracts thru your vents
He will not. I specifically asked in a video how many injection pump failures they've seen come through the dealership.
He responded by saying he had no idea what I was talking about. I said I am talking about the Bosch CP4 injection pump failing. Again his response was he had no idea what I was talking about, there is no part on the 6.7 called a Bosch CP4 pump and I could even ask at the parts counter and they're going to look at me like I'm crazy because it isn't a thing.
I quit watching his videos after that.
Maybe he's looking for you to use CP4.2 for the two cylinder pump as opposed to the CP4.1 for the single cylinder pump.
Anyways, like what was said before, he has no idea who you are so why would he just divulge that information? For all he knows, you could work for one of those lawyers with the class action lawsuit.
Number two, IMO, you guys are sweating this way too much. Yes, these pumps have blown up before but if it was that common, I don't think Ford would continue to sell Super Dutys with the 6.7 PSD.
Thirdly, these forums tend to exaggerate a problem..
I have 70k miles on mine but I run K100D at every fill up. The only time I've drained my DFCM is when I've changed the fuel filters. I've bought diesel at different places, out of state and never had problems. Does that mean I've gotten lucky with my method? Maybe. But maybe it means my method is working with K100D because I don't have plans to check my DFCM and drain it weekly, monthly or whatever.
I'm not being cocky here, I just have faith in my additive. I've done the experiments they list on their website. It works.
Would these CP4.2 failures stop me from buying another one? No. Again, YMMV. But I personally think you guys are acting a little Chicken Little like. Just being honest here. There are many here that have put more miles than I without the pump blowing.
With that said, I am going to install S&S Diesels gen 2 DPK kit on my truck because I am going past my 7 year or 125k mile warranty. If the CP4.2 goes, I'll save the rest and get a new pump installed.
Based on their own personal circumstances, some guys will have the luxury of not having to worry about it all that much. Install DPK, use fuel additive, don't let the tank level run too low, try to fill at high volume places and keep fingers crossed. If pump goes bad they aren't broke and can afford to fix it. If truck sits for two weeks at dealer while waiting for parts or whatever, who cares...wife will drive me to work or I will drive the backup vehicle in the meantime and life goes on. That's a best case scenario. Possibly you might question whether you actually needed diesel engine in the first place but that's neither here nor there.
Worst case scenario is you actually rely on this truck for income or work purposes and a 10-15k repair bill puts you out of business between the repair bill itself and lost revenue/downtime.
Yeah forums can exaggerate but sometimes you get an accurate picture of the weakest link of product X, Y and/or Z. Any amazon review with more than 10% 1 and 2 stars of total reviewers gets close scrutiny. If the folks are being stupid, their rating is tossed in the bit bucket. If they have a valid point, avoid the product.
Originally Posted by Overkill2
With that said, I am going to install S&S Diesels gen 2 DPK kit on my truck because I am going past my 7 year or 125k mile warranty. If the CP4.2 goes, I'll save the rest and get a new pump installed.
A 4.2 replacement is $1-1.5k and I can do that in my garage. Not a biggie. It's the "replacing the entire fueling system" at 10x that amount we must avoid.
Based on their own personal circumstances, some guys will have the luxury of not having to worry about it all that much. Install DPK, use fuel additive, don't let the tank level run too low, try to fill at high volume places and keep fingers crossed. If pump goes bad they aren't broke and can afford to fix it. If truck sits for two weeks at dealer while waiting for parts or whatever, who cares...wife will drive me to work or I will drive the backup vehicle in the meantime and life goes on. That's a best case scenario. Possibly you might question whether you actually needed diesel engine in the first place but that's neither here nor there.
Worst case scenario is you actually rely on this truck for income or work purposes and a 10-15k repair bill puts you out of business between the repair bill itself and lost revenue/downtime.
You're probably talking to a guy who researches the heck out of stuff like you do. But the problem for me was I learned after I bought the truck. I had no idea that the daily driving routine would have a great effect on the emissions or more specifically, the DPF. But luckily for me, my daily driving routine, especially when climbing the hills south of the city on my way home, keeps the regen cycles pretty much out where they should be. They usually go over 400 miles but some close to 500 miles. If I had my way, I would have had a snow plow by now and a camper too.
I'll be honest straight up. Did I NEED the 6.7? Hell no. I WANTED it. The last new truck I bought was my 96 F250 listed in my sig. I've been reading Diesel Power mag for years. I always said I was a diesel truck owner who hadn't bought the truck yet. So when I sold my childhood home, I finally bought the truck I WANTED. I just wish my Dad was still around to take a ride in it as he drove truck for a living. I used to go with him. Rest in peace, Juice (his CB handle and family nickname).
I understand your concerns. Everybody sees things different. I wasn't giving anyone a shot. I'm going to be installing an AFE DFS780 filter pump to "shine" the fuel so I can try to get the CP4.2 and injectors to last as long as possible. My truck is long term truck for me. Sure, I don't depend on it for work and to make money, but my goal would be the same as yours, make it last. But if anyone doesn't think bad fuel wouldn't take a CP3 or a Denso HP4, think again. These high pressure fuel systems are highly susceptible to any contaminants whether it would be dirt, moisture and/or air. I realize that the CP4.2s can go out, that's why I'm supplementing my 6.7 with aftermarket products. And I'll just keep driving it.
I hope to prove your fears wrong with my own high mileage, original CP4.2 engine. But time will tell. I wish you luck in your decision but it sounds like you should buy a new Ram or a GM to keep your peace of mind as your situation is different than mine.
When I started to research modern day diesel, ULSD, I learned a lot. I learned that the very process of making fuel into ultra low sulfur fuel, makes the fuel more susceptible to moisture intrusion or absorption. I'm no expert but I've done some reading. This made me worried about my new truck and the HPFP. That's why I run my additive every fill up. Adds lubrication to the fuel as well as other stuff.
Anyways, good luck with your decision and with the truck once you buy one.
PS
IMHO, I believe the 7.3 gasser was not meant to replace the 6.7 but to use in a commercial duty where the truck is idling a ton to keep the driver warm/cool and not have that diesel emissions system to clog up. Plus that 7.3 engine was overbuilt to last a long time. The guys like Senix, who pull heavy all the time, have no problems with their 6.7s and that heavy towing keeps the emissions real clean.
Those new Godzilla 7.3's will steal market from the Powerstroke I bet. If I just needed/wanted an around town truck for short haul work or personal use and wanted to stick with Ford, that's a safer bet and a nice savings also. Were I in the market for a newer diesel that needed to be a solid money maker I'd get an 18 or older Ram with the G56 and then delete it if/when necessary, but I like still like my 20 year old warhorse that have the title to. Hopefully my step-dad's 2013 doesn't take a ***** on him any time soon. Him and mommy are a couple of knuckleheads when it comes to vehicles so I doubt any DPK's are in that truck's future.
We shall see on that thought. But for the guys hauling, I think the 6.7 will remain strong. But I've been wrong before. Will see.
The thing I think is screwed up is the the Bosch CP4 series pump was designed in Europe where the fuel is dirtier but has more lubricity than our US fuel. I even hear Canada's fuel is better than ours. I hear that Propel renewable diesel is good stuff but that's only in Cali. I get why pumps and injectors lasted longer in the older engines; they don't run the high pressures that these new engines do and the older fuel had more lubricity in it. I wonder how the ULSD affects the older mills.
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