New design cp4????
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Let's just say that it applies to the subject of truck prices as EVERYTHING is going up. I see your sentiment and point taken bro.
I do use it often but not for what is currently going on in our country, to be sure.
For example:
If it's got t1ts or tires, you are going to have problems. It is what it is...
I do use it often but not for what is currently going on in our country, to be sure.
For example:
If it's got t1ts or tires, you are going to have problems. It is what it is...
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It's not so much the price of the trucks have gone up, but it's our money is worth that much less.
When you print $5 Trillion Dollars out of thin air, where do you think the money comes to pay that back? Believe not what the Fed tells you. Look at the value of the dollar on the echanges and see that is loses value nearly every day...
If our money was worth today what it was worth in 2000, a $68k truck would cost $45k. Welcome to the debt economy.
Back on topic... Interesting there are fuel pump changes for 2021. I have my dealer doing a workup on the price to order a new truck since I found a used 2019 with the right options I wanted a comparison of what it would cost to order a new one vs the price they want for the used one. I have a range in my head that if the difference is within, it's not worth it to go used.
When you print $5 Trillion Dollars out of thin air, where do you think the money comes to pay that back? Believe not what the Fed tells you. Look at the value of the dollar on the echanges and see that is loses value nearly every day...
If our money was worth today what it was worth in 2000, a $68k truck would cost $45k. Welcome to the debt economy.
Back on topic... Interesting there are fuel pump changes for 2021. I have my dealer doing a workup on the price to order a new truck since I found a used 2019 with the right options I wanted a comparison of what it would cost to order a new one vs the price they want for the used one. I have a range in my head that if the difference is within, it's not worth it to go used.
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Was the new fuel pump design allegedly coming in the 2021 model announced somewhere or is this some breaking insider news story? Just curious...
Also, agreed on the dollar not being worth what it once was! There's a window sticker someone found in their 96 or 97 F350 7.3 truck with an MSRP of 36k, so they weren't necessarily in the 20k region, back then. I believe this thread was here or the PSD forums.
And for what it's worth, Ford has actually become the better bargain in terms of new HD diesel trucks around me. I went with a new Cummins 2500 twice in the last 7yrs because their diesel truck really was that much cheaper (shopping base trim 4x4 with appearance packages from all 3 big brands). This year, however, the Ford 250 was the same price as the comparable Ram 2500, locally, so I gladly came back to Ford! The oval didn't drop in price, the Ram just got that much more expensive! I guess FCA finally realized they can charge whatever they want lol.
Also, agreed on the dollar not being worth what it once was! There's a window sticker someone found in their 96 or 97 F350 7.3 truck with an MSRP of 36k, so they weren't necessarily in the 20k region, back then. I believe this thread was here or the PSD forums.
And for what it's worth, Ford has actually become the better bargain in terms of new HD diesel trucks around me. I went with a new Cummins 2500 twice in the last 7yrs because their diesel truck really was that much cheaper (shopping base trim 4x4 with appearance packages from all 3 big brands). This year, however, the Ford 250 was the same price as the comparable Ram 2500, locally, so I gladly came back to Ford! The oval didn't drop in price, the Ram just got that much more expensive! I guess FCA finally realized they can charge whatever they want lol.
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It's not so much the price of the trucks have gone up, but it's our money is worth that much less.
When you print $5 Trillion Dollars out of thin air, where do you think the money comes to pay that back? Believe not what the Fed tells you. Look at the value of the dollar on the echanges and see that is loses value nearly every day...
If our money was worth today what it was worth in 2000, a $68k truck would cost $45k. Welcome to the debt economy.
Back on topic... Interesting there are fuel pump changes for 2021. I have my dealer doing a workup on the price to order a new truck since I found a used 2019 with the right options I wanted a comparison of what it would cost to order a new one vs the price they want for the used one. I have a range in my head that if the difference is within, it's not worth it to go used.
When you print $5 Trillion Dollars out of thin air, where do you think the money comes to pay that back? Believe not what the Fed tells you. Look at the value of the dollar on the echanges and see that is loses value nearly every day...
If our money was worth today what it was worth in 2000, a $68k truck would cost $45k. Welcome to the debt economy.
Back on topic... Interesting there are fuel pump changes for 2021. I have my dealer doing a workup on the price to order a new truck since I found a used 2019 with the right options I wanted a comparison of what it would cost to order a new one vs the price they want for the used one. I have a range in my head that if the difference is within, it's not worth it to go used.
Yes, these diesel trucks are expensive.
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Was the new fuel pump design allegedly coming in the 2021 model announced somewhere or is this some breaking insider news story? Just curious...
Also, agreed on the dollar not being worth what it once was! There's a window sticker someone found in their 96 or 97 F350 7.3 truck with an MSRP of 36k, so they weren't necessarily in the 20k region, back then. I believe this thread was here or the PSD forums.
And for what it's worth, Ford has actually become the better bargain in terms of new HD diesel trucks around me. I went with a new Cummins 2500 twice in the last 7yrs because their diesel truck really was that much cheaper (shopping base trim 4x4 with appearance packages from all 3 big brands). This year, however, the Ford 250 was the same price as the comparable Ram 2500, locally, so I gladly came back to Ford! The oval didn't drop in price, the Ram just got that much more expensive! I guess FCA finally realized they can charge whatever they want lol.
Also, agreed on the dollar not being worth what it once was! There's a window sticker someone found in their 96 or 97 F350 7.3 truck with an MSRP of 36k, so they weren't necessarily in the 20k region, back then. I believe this thread was here or the PSD forums.
And for what it's worth, Ford has actually become the better bargain in terms of new HD diesel trucks around me. I went with a new Cummins 2500 twice in the last 7yrs because their diesel truck really was that much cheaper (shopping base trim 4x4 with appearance packages from all 3 big brands). This year, however, the Ford 250 was the same price as the comparable Ram 2500, locally, so I gladly came back to Ford! The oval didn't drop in price, the Ram just got that much more expensive! I guess FCA finally realized they can charge whatever they want lol.
this thread was started to understand what do we know about this change.
keeping in mind bosh makes these pumps and it be possible that the change in post 14 is not for Ford .
so far, we have verified there are some differences in dot patterns, but no Ford owner has yet to say my co4 has the large single dot, which would mean that co4 is the new symmetrical design......what ever that means.
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From what the dodge boys are learning is there’s the asymmetrical pump and the symmetrical pump, and there’s 2 different calibrations for the pump when it’s installed, per the Ram TSB that is out. From what I gather it’s more to do with NVH sound levels and not a reliability upgrade. That being said, large companies like this are like politicians, they’ll lie right to your face to get you to believe in their bull.
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@speakerfritz as I asked on one of your other threads, it really seems like the aftermarket would come up with something if it is really as big of an issue as the internet makes it out to be. Ford has been using the CP4 for 10 years now, and generally, if there is a real need for something the aftermarket is pretty quick to figure something out and run with it. As @sPickins asked, it seems like a good machine shop could do this relatively easy. IDK, maybe it can’t be done. In my world, the world *can’t* was just a challenge..........oh, yeah? Let’s see about that!
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It's not so much the price of the trucks have gone up, but it's our money is worth that much less.
When you print $5 Trillion Dollars out of thin air, where do you think the money comes to pay that back? Believe not what the Fed tells you. Look at the value of the dollar on the echanges and see that is loses value nearly every day...
If our money was worth today what it was worth in 2000, a $68k truck would cost $45k. Welcome to the debt economy.
Back on topic... Interesting there are fuel pump changes for 2021. I have my dealer doing a workup on the price to order a new truck since I found a used 2019 with the right options I wanted a comparison of what it would cost to order a new one vs the price they want for the used one. I have a range in my head that if the difference is within, it's not worth it to go used.
When you print $5 Trillion Dollars out of thin air, where do you think the money comes to pay that back? Believe not what the Fed tells you. Look at the value of the dollar on the echanges and see that is loses value nearly every day...
If our money was worth today what it was worth in 2000, a $68k truck would cost $45k. Welcome to the debt economy.
Back on topic... Interesting there are fuel pump changes for 2021. I have my dealer doing a workup on the price to order a new truck since I found a used 2019 with the right options I wanted a comparison of what it would cost to order a new one vs the price they want for the used one. I have a range in my head that if the difference is within, it's not worth it to go used.
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Not sure what the message is about reengineering
here are some aftermarket offerings to address
https://ssdiesel.com/new-product-pre...p4-bypass-kit/
here are some aftermarket offerings to address
https://ssdiesel.com/new-product-pre...p4-bypass-kit/