Just a guess here, but I might try to ask the dealer what particular program the later 2019’ models like ours came through with. Our build date was the 7-19. Then see if it’s a compatible flash for your truck.
honestly, what ever our Expedition is programmed with, its spot on.

 

 

ATC, we disagree. I’ll buy, as will the rest of the nation.. It’s a truck, not a life. Now let it go.

 

The 2020 6.7 is Gen 3 and its still the same engine with new and improved components. Gone from Alum pistons to steel etc. This is the normal progression by any manufacturer that chooses to produce a quality product for the market place and the fact that Ford had done it is less than 20 years without trying to fix major problems in the engine only tells me of Ford's commitment to this engine and its commitment to quality and value for its customer base.

Without a doubt, there is a huge difference between prototype testing and fielding ...I spent a career as an engineer in Research, Development, Testing & Fielding, you clearly have not! The fielding is the 2nd phase of the testing loop and is ever ongoing. Its a loop, from us folks on the R&D&T side to the end-user and we capture that data from their use and return it to the R&D&T side, this is how we get to Gen 3 and beyond. You might note the Chevy V8 as released in 1955 was improved upon but remained the same basic engine thru the 2015 model year. The oil patch worker to soccer mom is extremely important due to it not being a controlled environment. Companies that do not capture that valuable data generally produce poor products and all they do is come out with an "all new" product every few years. Ford truck does not work that way which may be why they are the best selling truck for over 42 years in a row.

FYI . The truck market is Texas where trucks have always outsold cars. I grew up on a ranch and we and every rancher I knew drove Chevy, GMC or Studebaker, nobody drove Fords except 'sharecroppers'. Ford was JUNK, Rusted out before it was sold off the lot, burnt more oil than gas. Ford figured it out and is still winning 42+ years later!

 

Says the man who always has to have the last word. Oh, wait a minute...

I wish I could get to the level of thought, where I can disagree with decades of proof, over hundreds of models, with research done by multi-million and billion dollar companies using information from tens of millions of owners over the years...
But nah, that stuff don't matter...I had a couple good first model year trucks so everyone else is wrong...

I bid you adieu. I am "letting it go" Good day to you sir.

 

ATC, let me buy you dinner somewhere. I’ll send you a gift card to bury the hatchet.


Good luck OP...if you’re still around.. I hope you have the best of luck, which ever you choose.
Don has a VIN.. I’m still waiting..grrr...

 

With all due respect to both sides of this debate... I agree with both of you. One important thing that hasn't risen to the surface here from either side is this...

I think we can all agree that new model year vehicles are indeed more problematic. Stats don't lie on that front. However, how much more? 1%? 5%? 10%? etc. That said, what is each person's tolerance towards that risk? For me personally, I'm in George's camp here. Sure, there is an increased risk of new model year issues but I'd be willing to take that very small chance to get the latest and greatest. On the other hand, people with more patience than I (or George) are likely rewarded with slightly lower level of risk of having an issue... and if you're the one that get's bit by said possible issue, you'll certainly wish you had waited. Bottom line is I think you guys are both right. Sure, 1st year vehicles generally have a few bugs that get worked out by year two. But, that same risk is also a very small one and many of us would take it to get what we want now.

 

I agree with everything you said. And is up to each person to decide if they want to take a little more risk on a first model year, most people won't have issues. I for one will wait a bit but that's not saying that you are wrong to buy right out of the gate.

The one thing that's misleading about the 9 million miles is that all that testing is done on pre-production trucks and manufacturers almost always change suppliers for different parts to cut cost for the actual production vehicle and a lot of times that is where problems or bugs will arise.