Yeah please do not take away the ***** and buttons.

Could always use a slightly larger screen so you can have more than one thing going but I definitely have no desire to get in a wreck trying to toggle through to change the ac temperature.

 

A friend of mine has a Telsa and the screen is as big as my TV almost. That said the Superduty screen is a bit small for the data they are presenting. In fact, you have to scroll L/R-U/D. From a Human Interface paradigm in a motor vehicle, this would be a NO, too small. Because it requires scrolling to see all the data. That said the Telsa screen to large, you have to search for the data you want on the huge screen.

The SD has got one of the best drink holder platforms around.

My wife's car had electronic buttons and slide buttons that were electronic. HORRIBLE, hated them you really had to pay attention to use them.

I think any redo will incorporate a larger data screen, different fabrics, and leathers, different patterns, but overall the dash and console are excellent IMO.

 

I'd settle for a higher definition screen/camera combo at least. Always a guess to know if I am centered over my gooseneck ball.

 

X2!! The resolution is poor.

 

Consumer Report's annual surveys say otherwise.

"CR’s annual car reliability surveys have shown that some new cars are far from trouble-free—especially those cars in their first year of production."

"The survey, which included responses from about 400,000 subscribers who own 640,000 vehicles, found that all-new or updated models are now more likely than older ones to have a wonky engine, a jerky transmission or high-tech features that fail outright."

"These examples also underscore that the last year of production for a model generation tends to be its most reliable, because the automaker has had years to make refinements. And likewise, the first year of production tends to be the riskiest, because the car and its assembly are new."

 

Typically the overall worst-ranked and most bad-mouthed is the Jeep Wrangler. So BEFORE you buy into CR BULL CHIT let me just run this by you:

My go-to car has been Jeeps Wrangler and short wheel base models which I have been driving since the mid 60's. I have racked up at least 250,000 miles, prob more. Begining in 1989 almost every Jeep was ordered or bought new off a dealer lot: 89, 95, 97,99,2001,2003,2006, 2015 = about 150,000 miles.

How many times did I return to a dealer for warranty service? If you guessed 5 you would be correct: Carb adjustment, AC dripping water into pass footwell, broken drivers side rear axle shaft, Rearview mirror displaying outside incorrect x 2.

8 Jeeps, 150k mi, over 25 years of driving new under warranty Jeeps...Stick it were the sun don't shine CR

 

Well, there you have it. Anecdotal evidence of one trumps a survey of 400,000 vehicle owners.

 

Only 5 times out of all those Jeeps, that's actually not bad. There are some who have been in 5 times in the first year or two with thier Super Duty.

 

Consumer reports.
The official go-to magazine for those without a clue who seek knowledge from others without a clue. The perfect place for a survey.
You drive a Super Duty, and a CR “survey” alters/guides your sense and lends towards your opinion of a new Ford Super Duty, Ram, GM 2500HD.
Sadly, this is somewhat hilarious..


“Wonky engine, jerky transmission and features that fail outright” . Sounds like concise, official and professional results from a survey conducted by its readers..
Really, this is what you come with?
This is a Ford Super Duty we’re talking about, not a Chevy Spark or a Hyundai.

My personal experience
Back in 1998, I’ve ordered and received one of the very first Super Duty trucks off the line...tremendous.
One of the first 6.0L off the line in a Lariat LE. No issues for me, even when tuned an extra 165 hp.
One of the first 6.4L F-350 trucks...750 hp and 1,150 lbs of torque. I kept that one a while. Just too good and something we may never see again..
2020 F-350 coming...

Parrish the thought of Ford coming up with another winner in a consistent lineage of winners..

My wife has always updated with new release vehicles. This Expy is the first “off the lot” purchase....you know the dreaded Eco Boost. Remember back when everyone was throwing tomatoes at the thought of the design?... wouldn’t touch it with a 10th pole?.

 

Without data it's just your opinion and all you've been able to provide is just that, your opinion. I have no data specifically on Super Duty quality for model years with significant changes. I'm going to surmise that you don't either.

 

From the way I look at it, this is not the first production year for the 2020 Super Duty!
- This is the fourth year of production
- 6.7 is 10 years old and for the 2020, improvements from the original
The only thing new is the 10-speed transmission which has been testing since 2017 (no proof but highly probable). Even though the 10R80 and the 10R140 are not the same, there are enough similarities to have applied lessons learned. Just my thoughts...

 

The CR articles reference both all-new and updated models. Much of this thread deals with the new 7.3 as well as the new 10 speed. Don't get me wrong, I've purchased many all-new models over the years with much success. It's just that no-one should make a blanket statement that brand new or significantly updated models have no more quality issues than carry-over models. That's simply disputed by the data put out by CR, J.D. Powers, and others. Choose the data you trust.

 

Consumer Reports is actually an excellent resource. They are data driven, member supported, have their own test facility, and purchase all the vehicles they test so they are less likely to be influenced by manufacturers. It is definitely one of the resources I use when making large purchases. The information they provide is clearly more meaningful than any anecdotal evidence provided by some dude on an internet forum. That being said, I do take the anecdotal information under advisement, especially when it comes from multiple sources and appears to present a trend. The truth is, you could buy a vehicle highly recommended by CR and end up with a lemon. You could also buy a vehicle that has fared poorly in reviews from multiple sources and have a trouble free experience. That is just the way the cookie crumbles.

 

Ram didn't remove the buttons. Ram simply moved them.

 

I traded a '15 F-450 for my '19 F-450. I always order and my '19 came in only four weeks after the order was submitted. I've had the truck a year now and so far I'm very satisfied with it. If I had known about the ten speed and bump in hp/tq I might have waited but this truck handles a load much better than my '15 did. I probably will be trading for a '22, hope there's an update on the interior by then. My biggest complaint is the height of the bed sides, had to extend the gooseneck hitch on my trailers to the maximum length to get enough clearance for going over uneven ground to keep from making contact with the truck.