'20 vs '19 Comparison
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Yep .. The 2" riser is now standard.
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Love the pics! What will you do with the General when you full time in the DRV? Or did you order the Full House toy hauler version? Anyways, I would be on the side of waiting for the 2020. Order it the way you want as you're going to be spending a lot of time in it and won't want compromises...
We'll keep the Cargo Trailer/General and a Boat, along with our F150 at my families place in Ridgeway Colorado. So, the plan is, (plan) - (that's always funny) .. if we're going to be anywhere, for any length of time, my wife can tow one of them to our little slice of heaven, where ever that may be ... This is her story, not mine. I'm just repeating (Her Plan) ... Gotta love it ..
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From: Chaz
A dealer should not require a deposit to order. Probably wouldn’t arrive till around new year.
Do that and keep your eye out for a 2019.
I personally like the 2019 Platinum front end better. But if you cant save a lot on a 19 over a 20 as said above get the newer year model.
Do that and keep your eye out for a 2019.
I personally like the 2019 Platinum front end better. But if you cant save a lot on a 19 over a 20 as said above get the newer year model.
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I would not want to be a first year guinea pig for a new engine and a new transmission on a $70k+ truck while living out of it on the road. Do you have a plan for when you are stuck in Maine for 3 weeks while your truck is in the shop waiting for parts?
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Compromising is apparently not an option .. lol !!
We'll keep the Cargo Trailer/General and a Boat, along with our F150 at my families place in Ridgeway Colorado. So, the plan is, (plan) - (that's always funny) .. if we're going to be anywhere, for any length of time, my wife can tow one of them to our little slice of heaven, where ever that may be ... This is her story, not mine. I'm just repeating (Her Plan) ... Gotta love it ..
We'll keep the Cargo Trailer/General and a Boat, along with our F150 at my families place in Ridgeway Colorado. So, the plan is, (plan) - (that's always funny) .. if we're going to be anywhere, for any length of time, my wife can tow one of them to our little slice of heaven, where ever that may be ... This is her story, not mine. I'm just repeating (Her Plan) ... Gotta love it ..
We did that for a long time before going to a toy hauler. Wife towed either the boat or the enclosed sled trailer with the ATV's. We may go back to that system if we get back into RVing after selling our toy hauler. Taking some time off after building our house. Anyways, your wife's plan is definite doable. The only thing that my wife lamented was not being able to talk while traveling. Getting there is half the fun and you loose something being by yourself for hours on end in the vehicle. Personally, the silence didn't bother me much...
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9 million miles of testing on this new combo also is what it is..
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I wanted to share my thoughts on the 10 speed. After all my trouble with my truck over the past 18 months I have been able to do extended “test drives” in nearly every vehicle ford sells with the 10 speed. Ie all 3 core engines in the f150, I own a 2018 expedition with the 10 speed.
My opinion is the worst match up for the 10 speed is the 5.0. the reason...lower torque numbers in low rpm for this engine causes the transmission to search for more power more often by downshifting more.
The 2.7 and 3.5 which both have more torque in the normal rpm range were people typically drive offer a very smooth and efficient experience.
My guess is the new 10 speed for the super duty and all that amazing torque will offer a great driving experience because the engine is so capable the transmission won’t have a ton of work to do hunting for the right gear.
My opinion is the worst match up for the 10 speed is the 5.0. the reason...lower torque numbers in low rpm for this engine causes the transmission to search for more power more often by downshifting more.
The 2.7 and 3.5 which both have more torque in the normal rpm range were people typically drive offer a very smooth and efficient experience.
My guess is the new 10 speed for the super duty and all that amazing torque will offer a great driving experience because the engine is so capable the transmission won’t have a ton of work to do hunting for the right gear.
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RR, I think you have a point.
My wife's 19' Expedition Platinum (400/480) works perfectly with the 10 speed. She is coming from a Gen 5 6.2l 8 speed Yukon Denali which was a great running truck, but the combo in the Expedition works better and the trans is always on point. The issues others are talking about may well lay with the natural aspirated engine and the lack of a flat torque curve. Doesn't happen with a turbo 480, and I don't see that's happening with a turbo 1,050...
My wife's 19' Expedition Platinum (400/480) works perfectly with the 10 speed. She is coming from a Gen 5 6.2l 8 speed Yukon Denali which was a great running truck, but the combo in the Expedition works better and the trans is always on point. The issues others are talking about may well lay with the natural aspirated engine and the lack of a flat torque curve. Doesn't happen with a turbo 480, and I don't see that's happening with a turbo 1,050...
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To the OP (superdutywannabe)
Congrats on going full-timer RV! That in mind, I'd say get the 2019 truck. Here's why ...
I think the "new' 6.7L engine will be fine, but the unknown may be the new 10spd tranny. As much as I'd like to believe that everything works great in a perfect world, the reality is that it is a new product, and may have an inherent design issue that the real world has yet to reveal. Because you're full-time, you have just this one vehicle to rely on. Your load (camper and trailer) is no so large that the current 2019 model truck with 925 ft-lb and 6R140 won't cover it! They will do quite well. And those are proven entities.
If your truck was a toy that you used occasionally, and you could afford downtime by having a spare vehicle, then perhaps the newest/latest/greatest truck might be fun to have. But for me, when your truck IS your home, I'd want reliability and proven performance over a torque bump and extra gears.
Congrats on going full-timer RV! That in mind, I'd say get the 2019 truck. Here's why ...
I think the "new' 6.7L engine will be fine, but the unknown may be the new 10spd tranny. As much as I'd like to believe that everything works great in a perfect world, the reality is that it is a new product, and may have an inherent design issue that the real world has yet to reveal. Because you're full-time, you have just this one vehicle to rely on. Your load (camper and trailer) is no so large that the current 2019 model truck with 925 ft-lb and 6R140 won't cover it! They will do quite well. And those are proven entities.
If your truck was a toy that you used occasionally, and you could afford downtime by having a spare vehicle, then perhaps the newest/latest/greatest truck might be fun to have. But for me, when your truck IS your home, I'd want reliability and proven performance over a torque bump and extra gears.
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OTOH ... there was a lot of testing on the 6.0L PSD done too ...
Just saying ...
Sometimes problems don't come out right away; some take time to rear their ugly head.
New products ALWAYS have the potential for unforeseen issues that only the real world can reveal.
I got burned on the Contour car in 2005 when it first came out. The first year North American model had a terrible record and mine was in the shop all the time. That platform did great in Europe with the 4-cyl, but when they stuck the v-6 in there for North America, they had teething problems the first year. Great example of why I should have waited a couple years until they go the bugs out. Also got burned on the 4.0L SOHC when it first came out. They ran great, but they had a bizarre timing chain jackshaft set up. Woe unto the owner that had to pay for servicing that beast after warranty expired. My point is that not all tested power-trains which fare well in the lab and under "controlled" testing, do as well in the real world. The Joe-average user has a way of revealing issues that the OEMs never realized existed. We know very little about the new 10-spd HD tranny; it's an unproven entity.
In this case, I'd want the 6R140 and the current 6.7L because they are proven entities.
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Yes, first year vehicles are more prone to reliability issues. Transmissions are now the hot topic, since many first generation 8-9-10spd autos have issues (mechanical and software related)
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Wrong. If it's unfounded fear, why does the stereotype exist across all brands for a first model year vehicle?
Yes, first year vehicles are more prone to reliability issues. Transmissions are now the hot topic, since many first generation 8-9-10spd autos have issues (mechanical and software related)
Yes, first year vehicles are more prone to reliability issues. Transmissions are now the hot topic, since many first generation 8-9-10spd autos have issues (mechanical and software related)
I guess that does work for some..feeling secure and safe, while foregoing the experience of driving something totally new and improved., I’ll never ever buy into that theory and spend good money on the outdated so-called “proven” stuff when the new advanced products and updated styling are now available.
I’ve consistently waited for the new stuff my entire life, and enjoyed the experience of owning it while others may play it safe and buy something that now looks outdated.
Ford garages all over the country are servicing broken “proven” vehicles as we speak...
And that’s why each of us have a choice, and we can make them individually.
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Ford bought back my 2017 F150 with the 10 speed. I would give Ford 1-2 model years to get all the bugs out of the 10 speed in the Super Duty line. Even then, doubt more than a few percentage of trucks will have issues. Ford has been able to work out most of the issues with the F150 model.