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You know you may be on to something with the excessive steering wheel feed back as a result of pitman arm angle.... I have not had deathwoble. I have a 2 wd and i get excessive chatter going over expansion joins on the freeways of houston. No wobble, just excessive feedback and a loose feeling at certain points as my suspension articulates up and down. It bumpsteers like a 92 chevy s-10 lowrider with cut coil springs. I have looked at the angle of my pitman arm, and i can tell you on my 2 wd its like the tip of the pitman should have angled up, instead of just being flat. My idler arm is at the same angle as the joint at the pitman. Its like it holds the joints on the centerlink at an odd angle in relation to the tie rods. As my steering wheel is cut left to right the centerlink arches kind of “wildly” and causes the inner tie rods to arch up and down as well as side to side. I realize there will be “some” up and down movement because of the disign of the steering, it just seems like the twist is excessive compared to other steering systems ive seen as well as worked on. It gives my steering damper bushings a work out as well because as it cuts left to right it physically twists the damper on its mounts. It is for sure not a smooth transition in the steering joints as they cut back and forth. When you guys with the 4x4 cut your wheel back and forth is there excessive arcing on the steering linkage attached to your pitman or does it articulate smoothly?
I believe the steering and suspension joints in these new trucks are of low quality from a low cost manufacturer. Its like a crap shoot if you get good parts. Ive had 2 OEM centerlinks installed in my 2 wd and they both have had way too much play in them. The excessive play causes bump steer, metallic chatter in the steering wheel over bumps, and irregular tire wear that sets in after about 1k miles after rotate and balance. My alignment is spot on, yet i have a loose “nervous” feeling in my steering wheel. The parts are garbage plain and simple. Dont think that they dont engineer parts to fail because they do, its just some are failing waaayy too early. Service after the sale, out off warranty, is the bread and butter for both the mfg and the dealership. This problem needs to be eliminated. Its dangerous for all parties involved. As for they guys still driving the “wobble trucks” just stop until it is fixed. The amount of force being exerted durring an event such as “death wobble” is destroying your vehicle.
do you expect them to have $800 chromoly joints ? hek they wont even install decent shocks
do you expect them to have $800 chromoly joints ? hek they wont even install decent shocks
no sir, but i would expect them to put something on good enough for ooooh i dont know...75k miles? And i agree the OEM shock absorbers are garbage. Once they heat up they are soft and floppy. My truck drives best the first 15 minutes of 75mph on my trip to work. After that it starts chattering on every road surface irregularity. Bilstein has the 4600 coming out in march. Im either going to try those, or if rancho comes out with a 9k rear application for a 2 wd, then i will try those due to their adjustability.
no sir, but i would expect them to put something on good enough for ooooh i dont know...75k miles? And i agree the OEM shock absorbers are garbage. Once they heat up they are soft and floppy. My truck drives best the first 15 minutes of 75mph on my trip to work. After that it starts chattering on every road surface irregularity. Bilstein has the 4600 coming out in march. Im either going to try those, or if rancho comes out with a 9k rear application for a 2 wd, then i will try those due to their adjustability.
for the price vehicles cost they should use better parts but they cant use the best parts or stuff would rarely wear out and thats bad for business
for the price vehicles cost they should use better parts but they cant use the best parts or stuff would rarely wear out and thats bad for business
Whats going to be bad for business is when somone gets killed. Manufactures turn out beautiful, overpriced, rolling garbage now adays. There is no consistency in quality. Its like you either get a good one or you get a bad one. Its not just domestic either. The new imports are plagued with quality control issues. Maybe i “see” more of the bad because i work in different dealerships daily, and im often in the service dept, but i dont know....they all have a whole lot of problems. In my life i have purchased 8 brand new vehicles. Not 1 real problem with numbers 1 - 6......7 and 8 which have both been in the last 4 years....... MEH
no sir, but i would expect them to put something on good enough for ooooh i dont know...75k miles? And i agree the OEM shock absorbers are garbage. Once they heat up they are soft and floppy. My truck drives best the first 15 minutes of 75mph on my trip to work. After that it starts chattering on every road surface irregularity. Bilstein has the 4600 coming out in march. Im either going to try those, or if rancho comes out with a 9k rear application for a 2 wd, then i will try those due to their adjustability.
You are right about this.
These trucks have a very high price tag, and very low quality parts.
The shocks may not be “great” but after putting on Fox 2.0 shocks on my ‘17 F250 I only noticed a small improvement.
That’s a little surprising as most members that have posted changing over to the Fox 2.0’s commented that the new shocks made a significant difference. What changes or lack of change have you noticed?
That’s a little surprising as most members that have posted changing over to the Fox 2.0’s commented that the new shocks made a significant difference. What changes or lack of change have you noticed?
The truck seems a little more composed over bumps, but doesn’t ride “smoother.” If anything, it’s stiffer. I can see the Fox shocks are certainly made better and wouldn’t overheat as easily, but certainly didn’t notice anything earth shattering.
Keep in in mind when people spend a decent amount of money, of course they want to feel like their money was well spent.
That’s a little surprising as most members that have posted changing over to the Fox 2.0’s commented that the new shocks made a significant difference. What changes or lack of change have you noticed?
Aftermarket shocks can control bounce/jounce much better than stock shocks. Reducing the amount of jounce in the front end could in theory help prevent DW
Im convinced this death wobble issue on the 17+ truck has to do with how much higher the truck is and the angle of the drag link. The last gen truck used same design but was considerably lower then this gen and way less of an issue. Ford needs to fix this asap. Im yet to drive a 17+ F250/F350 that wont rip the steering wheel out of your hand when you hit an expansion joint or offset crack in the road. The only way possible to get that much feedback into the steering wheel is due to the pitman arm angle/drag link not being perfectly in sync. I have had 2 2005 F250s, 1 2006 F350, and a 08 F250 diesel, all 4x4s, all high mileage and not one of them had death wobble or steering wheel feedback from bumps in the road. Yet I have driven multiple brand new 17+ Super duties that do have the issue.
I don't know if I agree with this, although on a stock truck is may have some effect. I have leveled my front end (2.5" carli springs with Fox 2.5 DSC shocks) and its actually handles bumps significantly better thank stock.
That said, I do have a lewis built trackbar - so this holds the front end lateral movement together much better IMO and I feel this is a big contributor to the better front end feel. I also feel (as stated above) after market shocks help with high speed bounce/jounce and control the up/down movement- together controlling lateral and up/down much better than stock.
Overall it improved significantly after leveling with shocks using stock stabilizer - adding the Fox ATS further improved everything (what little if any bump steer I had left is now virtually gone).
While not the news/opinion anyone wants to hear after you spend 60K on a truck - but we have solid front axles and its the nature of the beast.
I don't know if I agree with this, although on a stock truck is may have some effect. I have leveled my front end (2.5" carli springs with Fox 2.5 DSC shocks) and its actually handles bumps significantly better thank stock.min
eel (as stated above) after market shocks help with high speed bounce/jounce and control the up/down movement- together controlling lateral and up/down much better than stock.
Overall it improved significantly after leveling with shocks using stock stabilizer - adding the Fox ATS further improved everything (what little if any bump steer I had left is now virtually gone).
While not the news/opinion anyone wants to hear after you spend 60K on a truck - but we have solid front axles and its the nature of the beast.
I sure hope your assessment is correct. Yeah, at 60k the added expense is a tough pill but since I plan on this being my last truck I won't mind spending extra to make it right for peace of mind. I really like this truck with 1100 miles on it.
I sure hope your assessment is correct. Yeah, at 60k the added expense is a tough pill but since I plan on this being my last truck I won't mind spending extra to make it right for peace of mind. I really like this truck with 1100 miles on it.
It really is.
Fortunately I never had death wobble but bump steer was noticeable when stock - what I excepted form a solid axle from owning them over the years.
I chose to lift it to fit 37's but only did enough lift to clear the tires (2.5" lift front, nothing in rear except shocks) - not for ride quality or improvement.
I sorta won a personal lotto when the ride became so much better. So in the end, I reached my goal of clearing the 37's and the side affect was a smoother ride with bump steer a thing in the past. Who knows if I will ever get DW. But the more I read about it and causes of it, it sounds to be just be worn out parts (and the factory stuff failing earlier than they should).
Fortunately the Fox shocks are rebuildable and track bars/radius arm mounts are all easily replaceable - should the time come.
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