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I am indebted to 18_F250_4x4 for intelligently creating this thread, and to the respondents who have provided valuable data-based information. I ordered a 2019 F-350 4WD 6.7l Lariat on 10 October, expecting delivery sometime in December as our XMAS gift to ourselves. We tow a 25’ conventional travel trailer weighing about 9,500#s and are full time RVers, traveling with the truck bed always loaded with our ‘stuff’, which includes a 200# camper shell with two sea kayaks (total weight about 100#s) on top. I intend to buy an 8yr/150k or 125k Extended Service Plan given that we travel upwards of 20k+ miles/year and intend to keep the truck for at least 5 years.
Based on all the detailed responses to the DEATH WOBBLE POLL, I am going to have the dealership do an alignment check on the truck BEFORE I TAKE DELIVERY and print out the results. This will tell me whether Ford has implemented the Caster and Camber adjustments in TSB 18-2268 into current builds. I intend to demand that the front end be brought up to specs according to TSB 18-2268 using the parts listed, including an alignment according to the TSB specs and give me a print out. I am also going to ask if having Ford install a FOX 2.0 Steering Stabilizer will void my warranties. I looked under a 2019 Super Duty and saw the stock “shock absorber” Steering Stabilizer. I don’t know much technically about shock absorbers, but I do know that FOX makes good shocks - I run them on my high-end Mountain Bike.
It is clear that DW is a nefarious, gremlinish glitch in unfortunate Super Duty trucks. I intend to do everything in my power to prevent ever experiencing it. The affects, based on personal accounts expressed herein, ranks up there in my book with Tornadoes and Earthquakes - THINGS I DO NOT EVER WANT TO EXPERIENCE, again as with earthquakes, IN MY LIFE. I lived through the 1989 7.1 Magnitude Loma Prieta Earthquake in central California, being 4 miles from the epicenter. I tell people that if I never experience another ground-shaking event like that again in my life that I’ll live longer. Same goes for Death Wobble, which I have never experienced (as is the case with a tornado) and don’t wish to - EVER!
Any comments about my intentions would be appreciated. It will be a couple of months before I take delivery and make my demands. I will post my results.
I think having it checked is a GREAT IDEA and even better to insist the TSB be incorporated prior to accepting the truck. I hope it works out the way you have it planned but I would think you will experience some pushback from the dealer... GOOD LUCK; cant wait to hear the outcome.
IF I can develop a comprehensive survey via (google, ************ or ??? suggestions welcome) how many would be interested in providing good data points
(No personal info only truck related)
It will be anonymous (as much as possible) and confidential.
The survey would only be things like build date
VIN (minus the last 5 digits that identify your specific truck) which will tell us the truck configuration and where the affected trucks were built. This issue may be as simple as one plant doing something different from the others... may be one installer... we wont know until we can get the info and for that we need each of you to help.
Of course you will not be required to answer all the questions if you do not feel they are something you wish to share.
For our ADMINS would I be able to share the survey (or a link to it) on the forum or is that not allowed?
This IMO is a huge safety issue and if we can give FORD a direction to look in order to solve this then great, as a minimum I will share what I learn with FTE so we all can be more informed.
Thoughts?
FYI, If you have experienced DW I would highly recommend you report it to the NHTSA there are a number of reports already... ALSO there are reports for other years and configurations type the year and type vehicle. NHTSA FORD F-250 CREW CAB
using fox stabilizer shouldnt mess with the warranty. just like using different brand oil or filter or tires doesnt bother warranty. lifts, levels, void warranty because it alters the vehicle
I figure that I’ll have my best leverage with the dealer BEFORE I hand over the $64k remaining on my purchase. Dangling that WAD of money in front of their noses should get them to at least perform an alignment check. That is easy to do these days with the electronic computerized alignment machines. Once I, and they, have the numbers to look at, we can compare them to the TSB 18-2268 specs. If I’m still getting “pushed”, I’ll print out some of the posts on this thread and lay those in front of them. I can’t fathom them “pushing back” at that point, should it come to that.
By the way, I will gladly pay for a FOX 2.0 Steering Stabilizer if they will put it in. Again, I figure I’ll have more leverage succeeding in that effort IF the truck has NOT been set up to TSB 18-2668 specifications.
I would also be very willing to become involved in the notification effort suggested by the OP. If people don’t speak up, more like YELL OUT, our findings and concerns with regard to DW, nothing may ever be changed at the factory and/or design levels. I ain’t concerned with remaining ANONYMOUS. If I’ve got something to say, I am not afraid to say it and have the recipient know who’s saying it.
Thanks again to everyone who took the time and effort to get involved here. The data from the many SD and LD (F-150) owners who have not experienced DW is as important as the stories of those who have.
You will NOT get DW in a pre '05 Superduty, the leaf spring suspension was basically immune to it, the leafs provided better control and positioning of the axle, you could get some wobble if a lot of things were really worn out, but no DW. I have fixed several newer trucks by doing basically the same thing that Ford is doing with the TSB. One of the biggest contributors I have found was a worn track bar, combined with too little caster. The steering stabilizers can help but are in reality a bandaid to the problem. Had a friend with a '99 Ram that we had to replace every rubber bushed and tie rod end type joint in to get rid of it.
You will NOT get DW in a pre '05 Superduty, the leaf spring suspension was basically immune to it, the leafs provided better control and positioning of the axle, you could get some wobble if a lot of things were really worn out, but no DW. I have fixed several newer trucks by doing basically the same thing that Ford is doing with the TSB. One of the biggest contributors I have found was a worn track bar, combined with too little caster. The steering stabilizers can help but are in reality a bandaid to the problem. Had a friend with a '99 Ram that we had to replace every rubber bushed and tie rod end type joint in to get rid of it.
Just to clarify, when you say too little caster, do you mean less than ford recommends as stock, or is the factory setting still too little?
You will NOT get DW in a pre '05 Superduty, the leaf spring suspension was basically immune to it, the leafs provided better control and positioning of the axle, you could get some wobble if a lot of things were really worn out, but no DW. I have fixed several newer trucks by doing basically the same thing that Ford is doing with the TSB. One of the biggest contributors I have found was a worn track bar, combined with too little caster. The steering stabilizers can help but are in reality a bandaid to the problem. Had a friend with a '99 Ram that we had to replace every rubber bushed and tie rod end type joint in to get rid of it.
i think new ram has very similar style front end as ford. far as i know, ram front end problems are mostly gone. have a few at work and one as a personal vehicle and they drive great. i dont recall any forum posts of front end problems. if there was even a hint of DW or bump steer i would trade mine for something else, simple as that. i cant believe the amount of people that will drive a new truck with wobbly steering wheel , simply because they "like" the truck so much.
Maybe i'm crazy... you weren't asking for anyone's personal experience with death wobble... you were asking for instructions on how to setup a poll and if anyone had suggestions about the questions you were proposing?
I would greatly appreciate a poll and I think your questions are very good. I might add:
What year is your truck?
What year did you first encounter DW?
How many miles were on your truck when you first encountered DW?
Very interested in the results. I have had a little experience with surveys. As soon as you deviate from yes/no or multiple choice your poll results can become more difficult to read and graph so most polls try to avoid fill in the blank when possible. You could do years in groups of 5 (i.e. 2015-19, 2010-14, 2005-09, 2004 or older) or years by body style would probably be more appropriate (would require a little research). You could break up the miles in increments of 20k.
Would also limit poll participation to registered users to increase the level of effort required for some dodge/chevy nut to wreck your results.
is ford implementing the tsb onto new trucks built or are they just going to fix the trucks that develop the oscilation ? i hope theyre not just going to do the bare minimum and wait for problems to develop
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