Worth restoring
#16
An engine that won't start will roast battery, cables, starter, and solenoid. The alternator in your dad's car will NOT charge it back up, unless you drive to Montana or something like that.
Crank your engine for no more than 5 or 10 seconds straight - let starter cool off for 5 or 10 minutes. Remember normally an engine starts in just a split second or two. That's all the starting system is designed to take. When you hear people start wailing on the starter for 55 seconds .... pause .... wail on the starter for another 30 seconds .... pause *click* wail for another 30 seconds ... that starter is DONE for, it might not fail today but it won't be long for this world. If you were to look at it, the paint would be smoking. Not trying to beat up on you, but I've seen this movie before.
#18
I did not see you say what year the truck is or the tranny it has.
I would say the first thing to do is see if the motor turns over by hand. Do this before trying to crank it over with the key.
Sometimes you can grab the fan and turn it and the motor will turn over.
Other wise get a socket and breaker bar to fit the crank bolt and see if it will turn over by it.
If still no turn over pull all the plugs and pour some Marvel Mystery Oil in and let it sit a week or more and see if it turns over.
Does the carb move/work and not rusted solid?
When it turns over by hand you can drain and refill the oil.
For fuel you can run the motor from a small gas can feeding the fuel pump.
If you need help getting it running give a shout and we will help.
Once running I would say you then need decide if it runs good or not what the next step is.
Dave ----
I would say the first thing to do is see if the motor turns over by hand. Do this before trying to crank it over with the key.
Sometimes you can grab the fan and turn it and the motor will turn over.
Other wise get a socket and breaker bar to fit the crank bolt and see if it will turn over by it.
If still no turn over pull all the plugs and pour some Marvel Mystery Oil in and let it sit a week or more and see if it turns over.
Does the carb move/work and not rusted solid?
When it turns over by hand you can drain and refill the oil.
For fuel you can run the motor from a small gas can feeding the fuel pump.
If you need help getting it running give a shout and we will help.
Once running I would say you then need decide if it runs good or not what the next step is.
Dave ----
#19
So I just finished replacing the engine oil and oil filter. Stuff smelled pretty bad. I also checked the sparkplugs to see how they were and they came back like this.
I'm not sur what this means. Based on what the pictures that the manual provides, it is closest to the spark plug that shows oil deposits. For the most part, all 6 looked pretty close to this. I did look into the base of the sparkplug hole, ( combustion chamber? ) , and saw the same residue. Given that they truck has been sitting for years, and I imagine the one examples shown in the manual are based on running cars, how much of a problem is this ? Like one of you recommended, I also primed them and will wait the end of the week to try and start it, unless I get an earlier chance.
I'm not sur what this means. Based on what the pictures that the manual provides, it is closest to the spark plug that shows oil deposits. For the most part, all 6 looked pretty close to this. I did look into the base of the sparkplug hole, ( combustion chamber? ) , and saw the same residue. Given that they truck has been sitting for years, and I imagine the one examples shown in the manual are based on running cars, how much of a problem is this ? Like one of you recommended, I also primed them and will wait the end of the week to try and start it, unless I get an earlier chance.
#21
That's great, now if only I had not broken one trying to get it loose.
Now another thing is the carburator. I'm pretty sure it might need a rebuild, but do I need one before the initial start up? How much does a carburator rebuild usually cost ? Or is this a task that can be tackled by an average joe like myself ?
Now another thing is the carburator. I'm pretty sure it might need a rebuild, but do I need one before the initial start up? How much does a carburator rebuild usually cost ? Or is this a task that can be tackled by an average joe like myself ?
#22
Ok crank bolt: You said you turned the fan and it moved. Did all the fan belts and pulleys turn also? The crank pulley is the bottom most pulley and is large. In the center there should be a large bolt and thatis what you put a socket on to turn the motor over by hand.
Now if you can move all the belts & pulleys, the bottom pulley 1 full turn, then the motor is free and not rusted solid and safe to move onto get it running.
Plug: As said it does not look too bad, looks like it was running rich but should be able to start & run with them. If you have to replace the broken one I would replace them all.
Carb: I would try and start / run with it the way it is and see what happens. Just keep an eye on it for leaks (fire starter) or flooding over into the motor that could lead to other things.
edit: I saw a post and looked at the carb as it is not stock to the truck. If there are issues might be best to get a new / rebuilt one from the parts store.
The carb should have a number either stamped on the side or a tag under a screw, Again being the carb is not for your truck rebuilding it may not be the best way to go.
Take that number to the parts store and look it up so they can order the kit for you.
If you want to rebuild it, it is not that hard. The kit is not a lot of money and may want to pick one up to have on hand.
IIRC you have a fuel pump on the side of the motor. Do not try and start / run the motor on the old fuel in the tank. Get fuel hose and a small can with gas in it and hook the hose to the pump and into the small can of fuel to start / run from.
Good luck
Dave ----
Now if you can move all the belts & pulleys, the bottom pulley 1 full turn, then the motor is free and not rusted solid and safe to move onto get it running.
Plug: As said it does not look too bad, looks like it was running rich but should be able to start & run with them. If you have to replace the broken one I would replace them all.
Carb: I would try and start / run with it the way it is and see what happens. Just keep an eye on it for leaks (fire starter) or flooding over into the motor that could lead to other things.
edit: I saw a post and looked at the carb as it is not stock to the truck. If there are issues might be best to get a new / rebuilt one from the parts store.
The carb should have a number either stamped on the side or a tag under a screw, Again being the carb is not for your truck rebuilding it may not be the best way to go.
Take that number to the parts store and look it up so they can order the kit for you.
If you want to rebuild it, it is not that hard. The kit is not a lot of money and may want to pick one up to have on hand.
IIRC you have a fuel pump on the side of the motor. Do not try and start / run the motor on the old fuel in the tank. Get fuel hose and a small can with gas in it and hook the hose to the pump and into the small can of fuel to start / run from.
Good luck
Dave ----
#23
I still do not see what year this truck is?
Why I ask is if you are going to get a new carb for the truck, either before trying to start or after because it has issues, get one for a 300 six in a 80-82 it must be a non-feed back system carb.
The carb in your picture is not either from what I can see.
Can you get a close up picture of the distributor? Need to see if it is for a feed back system or not.
Dave ----
Why I ask is if you are going to get a new carb for the truck, either before trying to start or after because it has issues, get one for a 300 six in a 80-82 it must be a non-feed back system carb.
The carb in your picture is not either from what I can see.
Can you get a close up picture of the distributor? Need to see if it is for a feed back system or not.
Dave ----
#25
Ok crank bolt: You said you turned the fan and it moved. Did all the fan belts and pulleys turn also? The crank pulley is the bottom most pulley and is large. In the center there should be a large bolt and thatis what you put a socket on to turn the motor over by hand.
Now if you can move all the belts & pulleys, the bottom pulley 1 full turn, then the motor is free and not rusted solid and safe to move onto get it running.
Plug: As said it does not look too bad, looks like it was running rich but should be able to start & run with them. If you have to replace the broken one I would replace them all.
Carb: I would try and start / run with it the way it is and see what happens. Just keep an eye on it for leaks (fire starter) or flooding over into the motor that could lead to other things.
edit: I saw a post and looked at the carb as it is not stock to the truck. If there are issues might be best to get a new / rebuilt one from the parts store.
The carb should have a number either stamped on the side or a tag under a screw, Again being the carb is not for your truck rebuilding it may not be the best way to go.
Take that number to the parts store and look it up so they can order the kit for you.
If you want to rebuild it, it is not that hard. The kit is not a lot of money and may want to pick one up to have on hand.
IIRC you have a fuel pump on the side of the motor. Do not try and start / run the motor on the old fuel in the tank. Get fuel hose and a small can with gas in it and hook the hose to the pump and into the small can of fuel to start / run from.
Good luck
Dave ----
Now if you can move all the belts & pulleys, the bottom pulley 1 full turn, then the motor is free and not rusted solid and safe to move onto get it running.
Plug: As said it does not look too bad, looks like it was running rich but should be able to start & run with them. If you have to replace the broken one I would replace them all.
Carb: I would try and start / run with it the way it is and see what happens. Just keep an eye on it for leaks (fire starter) or flooding over into the motor that could lead to other things.
edit: I saw a post and looked at the carb as it is not stock to the truck. If there are issues might be best to get a new / rebuilt one from the parts store.
The carb should have a number either stamped on the side or a tag under a screw, Again being the carb is not for your truck rebuilding it may not be the best way to go.
Take that number to the parts store and look it up so they can order the kit for you.
If you want to rebuild it, it is not that hard. The kit is not a lot of money and may want to pick one up to have on hand.
IIRC you have a fuel pump on the side of the motor. Do not try and start / run the motor on the old fuel in the tank. Get fuel hose and a small can with gas in it and hook the hose to the pump and into the small can of fuel to start / run from.
Good luck
Dave ----
You are right, I will try and get the stock carburetor model number some how. Should be easy enough
I just picked up a hand pump to remove the old gas in the truck. Will drain the gas and check the coolant levels tomorrow.
#26
I still do not see what year this truck is?
Why I ask is if you are going to get a new carb for the truck, either before trying to start or after because it has issues, get one for a 300 six in a 80-82 it must be a non-feed back system carb.
The carb in your picture is not either from what I can see.
Can you get a close up picture of the distributor? Need to see if it is for a feed back system or not.
Dave ----
Why I ask is if you are going to get a new carb for the truck, either before trying to start or after because it has issues, get one for a 300 six in a 80-82 it must be a non-feed back system carb.
The carb in your picture is not either from what I can see.
Can you get a close up picture of the distributor? Need to see if it is for a feed back system or not.
Dave ----
will do first thing tomorrow morning. Thanks for the help
#28
A good plan that a lot of folks use is rig up a 2.5 gal boat tank & hose or something like that and just gravity feed fuel direct to the carburetor bypassing fuel pump and hoses, lines and stale varnished fuel and sediment in the tank.
Pull a fuel sample from the tank and take a look at it, take a whiff. If it smells like paint or varnish it's real bad. Don't try to run it or dilute it with fresh fuel.
Pull a fuel sample from the tank and take a look at it, take a whiff. If it smells like paint or varnish it's real bad. Don't try to run it or dilute it with fresh fuel.
#29
I take it you meant to say it's an 1980 truck?
If so then you should be able to tell the parts person you want a carb for a Ford, F1?? with a 300 six (4.9L) with auto?
Dave ----
#30
I still do not see what year this truck is?
Why I ask is if you are going to get a new carb for the truck, either before trying to start or after because it has issues, get one for a 300 six in a 80-82 it must be a non-feed back system carb.
The carb in your picture is not either from what I can see.
Can you get a close up picture of the distributor? Need to see if it is for a feed back system or not.
Dave ----
Why I ask is if you are going to get a new carb for the truck, either before trying to start or after because it has issues, get one for a 300 six in a 80-82 it must be a non-feed back system carb.
The carb in your picture is not either from what I can see.
Can you get a close up picture of the distributor? Need to see if it is for a feed back system or not.
Dave ----