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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 09:09 AM
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Floppy Shifter?

So, I love my 4-speed manual floor shifter. It reminds me of the shifters on the bus when I was a kid. But I have a question: The shifter is floppy. It goes into gear firmly just fine but when it is in neutral it just flops around. Maybe I'm just used to modern shifters that have a spring in it that keeps the lever centered. Just wondering if this "floppiness" is normal?
 
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Old Oct 4, 2017 | 10:39 PM
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Common problem with the warn out stick half ball side grooves or tranny ear retainer pins.

I had a guy weld it up with ss welding rod. Then the fun began filing it down to fit back in to the ear pin guilds. There is/was a top dust boot an spring that a person could buy when, I did mind 20yrs ago.
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Old Oct 5, 2017 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Christopher McComb
So, I love my 4-speed manual floor shifter. It reminds me of the shifters on the bus when I was a kid. But I have a question: The shifter is floppy. It goes into gear firmly just fine but when it is in neutral it just flops around. Maybe I'm just used to modern shifters that have a spring in it that keeps the lever centered. Just wondering if this "floppiness" is normal?
Which 4 speed does your truck have? Warner T-18 or New Process 435? Both of these trannies gear shift levers are 'spring loaded.'

TRANS code stamped on the 2nd line of the Warranty Plate, between the BODY & AXLE codes. A = New Process 435; F = Warner T-18.

Warner T-18: The shift lever retainer cap threads off/on. Once it's removed a roll pin is visible within the threads that retains the shift lever in place.

New Process 435: The shift lever retainer cap has two notches, it's retained to the shift tower with two pins.

This cap must be pressed down by hand and held down, while turning it counterclock wise to remove it.

Some people are unaware, use pliers or channel locks to remove it, which tears out one or both of the notches.

When this occurs, the shift lever flops around and if both notches have torn, the lever can 'pop' out of the shift tower. Not pleasant!
 
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 09:11 AM
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I will have to check into this...I'm assuming that there is a spring under the retainer cap??? ...or is it the retainer cap itself that needs to be replaced?


The good news is that the transmission as it stands now shifts and operates like butter. It's just the shift lever floppiness that is a bit disconcerting. Consider that my other two cars are a 1991 Porsche 911 and a 2017 VW GTI and you can understand where I'm coming from when dealing with an imprecise shifting experience...
 
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Christopher McComb
I will have to check into this...I'm assuming that there is a spring under the retainer cap??? ...or is it the retainer cap itself that needs to be replaced?

The good news is that the transmission as it stands now shifts and operates like butter. It's just the shift lever floppiness that is a bit disconcerting.

Consider that my other two cars are a 1991 Porsche 911 and a 2017 VW GTI and you can understand where I'm coming from when dealing with an imprecise shifting experience...
Both the Warner T-18 and the New Process 435 shift levers are spring loaded (I said this in post #3). Look at the NP435 retainer cap to see if the notches are torn out.

Do you remember the Renault Dauphine that was imported into the US in the 1950's/60's? The shift lever flopped around so much that Motor Trend called it "rubbery."
 
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 10:54 AM
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Ooooh, Renault. Unless it is one of the classic French cars (Bugatti, Delahaye, or Delage) I stay farrrrrrrrrrrrr away! I'm actually in the market for an old Ford or Chevy in-line six so I can build a replica Delahaye 135...but that's a story for another day...
 
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Old Oct 6, 2017 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Christopher McComb
Ooooh, Renault. Unless it is one of the classic French cars (Bugatti, Delahaye, or Delage) I stay farrrrrrrrrrrrr away! I'm actually in the market for an old Ford or Chevy in-line six so I can build a replica Delahaye 135...but that's a story for another day...
The Renault Dauphine was not one of the classic French cars, it was a classic example of a cheaply made French econo box.

Quality was about same as the Italian FIAT 124 aka Spanish Seat (say-aht) aka Yugoslavian Yugo. FIAT: Fix It Again Tony!

Renault owns Citroen, a controlling interest in Nissan (since 1999) and recently purchased Mitsubishi.
 
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Old Oct 7, 2017 | 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Christopher McComb
I will have to check into this...I'm assuming that there is a spring under the retainer cap??? ...or is it the retainer cap itself that needs to be replaced?


The good news is that the transmission as it stands now shifts and operates like butter. It's just the shift lever floppiness that is a bit disconcerting. Consider that my other two cars are a 1991 Porsche 911 and a 2017 VW GTI and you can understand where I'm coming from when dealing with an imprecise shifting experience...
One thing is that these are TRUCK transmissions designed for the most part in the '50's. They were used in F-100's to F-700's. They have very wide shifting gates compared to a Porsche, VW, etc. that was designed to run on a road race course so they will flop somewhat, but will run practically forever.
 
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Finally looked at my transmission and it's a T-18. Ordering the spring today and hopefully that solves the floppy shift lever thing.
 
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