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Old 06-14-2017, 09:09 AM
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Hi all,

The plans are starting to come together for the Cummins swap but I keep coming up with other items that need work or I want changed. Figured I’d start a build thread to house it all. The kids named the X Clifford when I first got it. So, here goes:

During the research period for my Cummins swap I came across this forum and really enjoy spending time reading about other ideas and mods to do for the X. From there, it sort of bloomed into this giant list that I have neither the time or money to do all of. So I’m trying to come up with a definitive list of mods/updates/fixes that I can actually manage getting done in the time I’ve allotted for myself. So, in no particular order, here are the items that this build thread will consist of:

Cummins swap with a ’94 p-pump bus engine (engine to be rebuilt as well during this process)
NV4500 transmission with PTO coolers, short shift tower, and using existing NP273 transfer case (with the goal of keeping my electronically controlled 4WD)
Driveshaft modification for the above
Powerstop brakes and steel braided lines
Update the trailer hitch to a Class V (not settled on this yet)
New springs – I haven’t settled on the actual method or springs but likely I’ll go to a local spring shop and have them make me “X Codes” that are the same dimensionally as the factory X springs. In other words, I want the same ride and height but with higher carrying capacity (if that's possible)
Remove and grease front hubs (needle bearing and sealed bearing)
New u-joints for every shaft I touch
New shocks (likely stick with the KYB monomax I currently have and dependent on spring selection)
Mechanical pillar gauges (EGT, ECT, EOT, Boost)
Rear clips for seat backs instead of the Velcro
Soundproofing the entire inside
Sandblasting and undercoating/painting entire vehicle undercarriage
Sandblast and paint bumpers/grill/running boards black (maybe)
Remove cladding
Front and rear differential fluid changes with new rear cover (not settled on the cover yet)
Door rust fix (front doors, the others seem to be fine so far)
New touchscreen radio (had a Pioneer that had known issues (found out after the fact) and they wont touch it – not sure what direction yet)
Toolbox for the rear - planning on making a wood box to fill the back cargo area, roughly 6-8" high, 2 drawers with full extension slides


I think that’s it so far….we’ll see if I add to this list over time. Why a cummins swap you ask? Well, with 264000+ on the clock right now, it’s time. The 6.0 has treated me VERY well so far and I have only one complaint: towing. Just got back from a camping trip to the UP. ~1400 miles of fighting. We were loaded pretty heavy as far as “Stuff”, but well under the maximum towing capacity of the vehicle. I’d say (guessing) that we were right around 8000 pounds total trailer weight. With the AC on, I could barely hit 60mph on flat ground (so everybody cooked in the car). EGT’s were consistently over 1000 and temperature hit 225 at one point. I also want the reliability of the Cummins. If I build it correctly and don’t try and throw a ton of HP and Torque at it, it should last me a good long time. Manual transmission is because I want one. I’ve looked that the 6 speed varieties and just can't justify the extra expense for the extra gear in the middle (I may eat those words one day). The other main reason, is just to do it. It’ll be a good project to do with my dad and there’s not that many of those left. I’m also keeping the factory gauge cluster working completely, with cruise control as well.

As I do this build, I’ll document all the trials and tribulations (as I know there will be) and costs to do as well (at least what I pay for each item and where I get it) with the goal of helping someone else out as I’ve been helped by this group of folks.

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I'll watch this build! Good luck
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Did a little spitballing on the leaf spring question this weekend...and generated more questions. Surprise!

I took pictures of the codes stamped into the leaf springs on the truck and tried to find out what those mean (only to find out by reading that it's basically a fruitless search). Then I looked at the door tag to see that I have (supposedly) code DG springs. Then I got smart and looked through the tech folder to see what I could find. All sorts of info in there, but nothing definitive on the "DG" codes as far as weight capacity (that I saw). If I'm reading the information correctly, I have "D" code springs on the front, and "G" code springs on the back. So then, I googled and found a chart/identification on SD Truck Springs and it seems that the front leaf springs for all years are listed at 1,980 pounds per spring (3,960 per pair) and the rear "DG" code for 2000-2003 are 2,275 pounds per spring (4,550 per pair). So, simple question is:

Am I correct in identifying what "should" be the spring codes and their corresponding weight capacity?

I say "should" because who knows what actually happened to the X before I purchased it. On another note, my overloads are missing the stopper/bumper on them, so I'll be finding and replacing that ASAP. Hopefully I'm using the correct terminology. I'll be heading over to the spring shop this week to see what sort of price they'll give me on custom replacements (and post up what they say).
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Call Junior at ATS, he just hooked me up with a set of springs for my conversion front and rear. That dressed Cummins weighs about 1200-1300 lbs.
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Call Junior at ATS, he just hooked me up with a set of springs for my conversion front and rear. That dressed Cummins weighs about 1200-1300 lbs.
I'll give him a shout as well...thanks!

I'll gain a little bit of that weight back with the NV4500, but not much...the weights I had were:

6.0 - ~965 pounds
Cummins - ~1500 pounds
5R110 - ~350 pounds
NV4500 - ~195 pounds

New springs are in my future for sure.
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I never realized that an I6 Cummins weighs 1.5 times a 6.0 V8
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I never realized that an I6 Cummins weighs 1.5 times a 6.0 V8
Actually, I was a bit off...according to Cummins, the dry weight is 1,100 pounds. Still a heavy little bugger
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