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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Joneser5000
I recommend leaving the revolver at home and replacing it with a Benelli M4 for a dash gun. Nothing says "I am not your next victim" like a Benelli M4.
For strictly a truck gun, I prefer the 10" sawed off Stoeger side by side on the bottom of this pic. The maneuverability is unreal in small spaces.

 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:18 AM
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This is from one of our RV sites, for those of us the have RV'S but they are talking specifically motorhomes so I am still looking to see about trailers.
Here's the law in California..
25610.

(a) Section 25400 shall not be construed to prohibit any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the following applies to the firearm:

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.

(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked container.

(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with the provisions listed in Section 16580.

That's the law.

In California, a motorhome is considered a "house car," and they fall under the California Vehicle Code while they're being operated. Vehicles DO NOT have the same Fourth Amendment protections as residences. When you're living/camping in that same motorhome, however, the law generally considers it to be a residence, which means more Fourth Amendment protections. Interestingly, a trailer, whether you're towing it or living in it, is always considered to be a "residence," because (in California), a trailer is not a motor vehicle. (Are ya with me???)

Here's one (ex) cop's perspective - take it for what it's worth. 99.9% of the officers I worked with wouldn't be the least bit inclined to search someone's motorhome, trailer, car, moped etc. unless the occupants did something to raise the officer's suspicions or someone told the officer that the occupants were up to no good. Our officers were far too busy dealing with repeat-offenders, intoxicated people and calls for service to target Mom and Dad or Gramma and Grampa in their RV.

If the occupant's behavior raised an officer's suspicions, however, or if someone called the police to report suspicious activity or criminal behavior, it would be an officer's duty to investigate - to do what they legally could to determine if a crime has been committed. That's called good police work. California law does allow citizens, who have not been convicted of certain crimes, to transport firearms and as long as they comply with the law and act responsibly, it's highly unlikely that an RVer would ever have a problem.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by wb6anp
This is from one of our RV sites, for those of us the have RV'S but they are talking specifically motorhomes so I am still looking to see about trailers.
Here's the law in California..
25610.

(a) Section 25400 shall not be construed to prohibit any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing, receiving, owning, or purchasing a firearm, from transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the following applies to the firearm:

(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle’s trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle.

(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm, the firearm is contained within a locked container.

(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with the provisions listed in Section 16580.

That's the law.

In California, a motorhome is considered a "house car," and they fall under the California Vehicle Code while they're being operated. Vehicles DO NOT have the same Fourth Amendment protections as residences. When you're living/camping in that same motorhome, however, the law generally considers it to be a residence, which means more Fourth Amendment protections. Interestingly, a trailer, whether you're towing it or living in it, is always considered to be a "residence," because (in California), a trailer is not a motor vehicle. (Are ya with me???)

Here's one (ex) cop's perspective - take it for what it's worth. 99.9% of the officers I worked with wouldn't be the least bit inclined to search someone's motorhome, trailer, car, moped etc. unless the occupants did something to raise the officer's suspicions or someone told the officer that the occupants were up to no good. Our officers were far too busy dealing with repeat-offenders, intoxicated people and calls for service to target Mom and Dad or Gramma and Grampa in their RV.

If the occupant's behavior raised an officer's suspicions, however, or if someone called the police to report suspicious activity or criminal behavior, it would be an officer's duty to investigate - to do what they legally could to determine if a crime has been committed. That's called good police work. California law does allow citizens, who have not been convicted of certain crimes, to transport firearms and as long as they comply with the law and act responsibly, it's highly unlikely that an RVer would ever have a problem.
So in other words, when you're transporting a firearm in California, make sure your lawyer is in the passenger seat? No thanks.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:31 AM
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AK, nice cans.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by troverman
Good points, Rob. NY is pretty restrictive for sure. I would absolutely fight to my last penny any charge against me resulting from a thief breaking into my locked vehicle to steal a firearm and then subsequently using it to commit a crime. There is no way a lawful citizen should be charged as result of someone else committing a crime against you in order to commit crime. Yes, I agree with not leaving your firearms laying out on your front sidewalk...but if someone must first commit a crime against you (break into a secured vehicle) in order to subsequently commit a crime...and the government charges the lawful citizen...then that is a tyrannical government.
I'm glad I live in Texas. I can't imagine someone being charged with a felony for a crime committed against them. While I certainly don't condone anyone storing a firearm within their vehicle in full view, it's a theft of personal property that's stored in their personal property. If you can be charged for having your firearm stolen from your car it's a slippery slope that could also be applied to having a gun stolen from your personal residence. Ridiculous.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AMXDREAMER
I live in Canada...we are friendly to everyone.
For the most part. It's getting worse one could blame it on folks coming in from other countries or just growth as a society.

Guns are banned on ALL oil field locations in Canada and anything deemed a weapon.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MCG DAWG
AK, nice cans.
Thanks, I've got 2 more I should have the stamps on here in the next couple weeks.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 12:16 PM
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I keep telling myself to get that process started. Got to hide some $$$ from the bride first.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 12:33 PM
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I think the OP has a very valid question for some of us that live in CA, and can carry. If you have a CCW, or are an off-duty peace officer, there are situations where you are prohibited to carry your firearm. For instance, if you have to go to a courthouse...no can do. If you have to pick up your kids from school, on campus...no can do. If you are going to drop your child off at the gate at the airport...no can do. If you go drinking with your buddies...even one drink while carrying and then you get into a situation where you use your firearm? So better to not carry if ever you are consuming alcohol, so technically...no can do. You should still have it in your truck. CA passed a law, effective this year, that if you store your firearm in your truck, it must be in a locked, sealed container. Penalties if your gun is stolen. Never mind prosecuting the jack wagon that stole your gun...You need some kind of solution. May I recommend the console vault option... Works very well for storing my loose change.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 12:40 PM
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Speaking of "dash guns" and where to carry guns in the truck, I can remember when we used to carry our long guns in a gun rack mounted to the back of the cab where all 3 guns were clearly visible. Back before extended cab trucks. Even in the school parking lot. BTW, class of '76.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 12:47 PM
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School parking lot??

Our middle schools had rifle ranges in the basement. My dad's yearbook shows a high school rifle team.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 12:51 PM
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This might help. When I can't carry inside an establishment, I will holster my firearm in the truck with this mounted in the console. I have small children (two boys under 3) and I just feel better having the gun locked up until they are older and able to understand and respect firearms.

http://nrajottogear.gojotto.com/BIO-Handgun-Holster-by-Jotto-Gear
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 12:52 PM
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I live in Canada and it is unlawful to even transport a pistol, unless you are going to a gun range or gun smith. You can carry a rifle, however it must be non restricted and you will need to prove why it was there (self defense is not a good answer). If you are carrying a restricted weapon, loaded or unloaded and not about to walk into a gun shop, you are going to jail. Gun laws here are VERY strict, so not worth having a weapon in the vehicle. My AR- 15 is at home in a gun case.

Meanwhile in Utah, I can stroll down the hallway (carrying of course) my child's elementary school without worry. CCW holders, police and teachers are authorized to carry anywhere in the schools. The Canadian gun enthusiasts I know are absolutely jealous of our freedom's and liberties. Americans just have to resist giving any more of our freedoms and liberties away. I'll also add that most Americans are nice and friendly just like AMXDreamer. So long as our Constitutional liberties are not infringed.


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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 12:58 PM
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I think the OP has a very valid question for some of us that live in CA, and can carry. If you have a CCW, or are an off-duty peace officer, there are situations where you are prohibited to carry your firearm. For instance, if you have to go to a courthouse...no can do. If you have to pick up your kids from school, on campus...no can do. If you are going to drop your child off at the gate at the airport...no can do. If you go drinking with your buddies...even one drink while carrying and then you get into a situation where you use your firearm? So better to not carry if ever you are consuming alcohol, so technically...no can do. You should still have it in your truck. CA passed a law, effective this year, that if you store your firearm in your truck, it must be in a locked, sealed container. Penalties if your gun is stolen. Never mind prosecuting the jack wagon that stole your gun...You need some kind of solution. May I recommend the console vault option... Works very well for storing my loose change.
This is a good point for all who are responsible gun owners and follow the law. Even states like Arizona have certain areas where they are not allowed such as a reservation or post office (federal land) as well as the places you have mentioned. This is why I picked the vault option.
I strongly feel that the firearm, should be on your body or locked in a safe. It is the owners responsibility to secure it and I do not thing a locked vehicle is good enough.
Understanding the laws of each state you travel is critical. As a neighbor to California, I can also use my rear seat lockable compartment to comply.
As I said before when I am in the vehicle by myself or with my wife (also trained and a CCW holder) it stays in my Kydex IWB holster in the open console. For ease of taking it on or off when entering or exiting the truck. I would never place it there if other people where in the truck, it stays on me.
My Super Duty seats are just a little uncomfortable when the gun is on, unlike my last Sd or my wife's Expedition. For those it just stays on me.
 
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 01:13 PM
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I really hate to see how the country has become with gun laws. I'm strongly in favor of a nation-wide CC permit. Good anywhere. Canada is ridiculous, California is ridiculous, and it has become abundantly clear over the years that gun restrictions don't work. (i.e. Chicago)

In better news, my state went from a lenient CC law to not requiring one at all in the last couple of months.
 
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