Notices
1999 - 2003 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel  
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: DP Tuner

Big time cold start issues

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 06:17 AM
  #91  
jetdoc's Avatar
jetdoc
Cargo Master
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,902
Likes: 2
From: Pasadena, Maryland
Club FTE Silver Member

Originally Posted by HKusp
When cycling the glow plugs it drops down to 11.8-11.9. When off it is 12.8. When cranking with glow plugs energized it is 10.8 or so. A bit above the 10.5 minimum I have seen talked so frequently.

As far as how old is the oil, I am not certain, I did not do my last oil change myself and I don't think I recorded the mileage. I will have to call my mechanic tomorrow and see what he has in his computer for mileage. I know it is probably way overdue for the normal 5,000 mile interval change, but then again, I always go longer than that. When I was doing used oil analysis, I was getting really good results going to 9,000 miles. But I may even be a bit over that, I am not sure.

I will check tomorrow.
That voltage seems high to me with the glow plugs energized. Do the gp,s go through a fusible link as well?
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 06:49 AM
  #92  
white Buffalo's Avatar
white Buffalo
Post Fiend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,426
Likes: 6
From: Sioux Falls, SD
Nice job on the graph Rich ...........

Wow, all looks pretty good.

So if I read through the thread correctly:

New starter
New batteries
new GPR
glow plugs ohm out good
the only current code (after clearing) is P0607 KAM which is normal for any chipped truck

is the tach moving while starting?

I think I read a page back about Rich suggesting your remove the chip (DP Tuner). Just to rule it out and put it back to stock.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 11:44 AM
  #93  
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,760
Likes: 27
From: Hampton, Maryland.
Club FTE Gold Member
Tach is not moving while cranking, truck is 2003 and I thought that that may be different for '02 and '03 trucks. I havent pulled the chip yet. I will on next go 'round.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 11:46 AM
  #94  
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,760
Likes: 27
From: Hampton, Maryland.
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by jetdoc
That voltage seems high to me with the glow plugs energized. Do the gp,s go through a fusible link as well?
I don't know if they are on a fusible link, the LED itself is.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 03:45 PM
  #95  
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,760
Likes: 27
From: Hampton, Maryland.
Club FTE Gold Member
Here is a video of me cranking it over after an oil change with Rotella T 15 w 40 and having cycled the glow plugs at least 3 times and cranked over 5 or 6 a couple of minutes prior. Notice no movement in the Tach and this is the most smoke it had made in a while. I actually wanted to video it because it was not making much smoke at all but on that attempt it made a pretty good amount. My question is this, how long do you think it will take for the new oil to make it into the HPOP and cycle enough of the old oil out so that its new oil attempting to fire the injectors?

 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 04:09 PM
  #96  
Tugly's Avatar
Tugly
Hotshot
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 18,849
Likes: 179
From: Puget Sound
NOW your injectors are firing for real... it almost took off there for a sec. Oil moves slow through the filter, HPOP, lines, and chambers until she's running... plus you're likely dealing with a lot of air on top of the tired oil. I say plug it in for about 3 hours before your next attempt... you are sooo close.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 04:31 PM
  #97  
thomabb's Avatar
thomabb
Cargo Master
15 Year Member
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,405
Likes: 4
Do you have a way to suck the old oil out of the hpop?
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 04:35 PM
  #98  
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,760
Likes: 27
From: Hampton, Maryland.
Club FTE Gold Member
Originally Posted by thomabb
Do you have a way to suck the old oil out of the hpop?
Unfortunately not.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

 Brett Foote
story-3

10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 04:42 PM
  #99  
howellt39's Avatar
howellt39
Senior User
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 454
Likes: 0
From: Portland, OR
Oh man Jason, it's right there. You've got fuel now going into the cylinders obviously. Just a matter of cranking all the air out of the HPOP lines, at least enough to get it to go. It took a good 20 miles of driving after doing the HP oil crossover for me to get all the air out if that gives you an idea (just an encouragement to be patient I guess), and you've been into the reservoir a couple of times so it seems like that's going to take some more cranking. Almost there, though.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 05:04 PM
  #100  
CampSpringsJohn's Avatar
CampSpringsJohn
Hotshot
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 14,069
Likes: 17
From: Melbourne, Ky
It's sporadic with it's firing. Some of those injectors are not working yet. I agree with plugging it in for a few hours.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 05:28 PM
  #101  
white Buffalo's Avatar
white Buffalo
Post Fiend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,426
Likes: 6
From: Sioux Falls, SD
Sorry to be negative, but even after replacing injector cups it didn't take as long as that to kick over. I'de be temped to pop off the drivers side valve cover if plugging it in doesn't work. Damn you were close there though. I hope it's the oil but I know your UOA reports from the past and your viscosity was alway good at 7-9,000 miles. Your oil pressure popped to center of mass within 2 seconds of cranking.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 05:32 PM
  #102  
white Buffalo's Avatar
white Buffalo
Post Fiend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,426
Likes: 6
From: Sioux Falls, SD
What was the air temp when u took the video?
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 05:36 PM
  #103  
Bonanza35's Avatar
Bonanza35
Lead Driver
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 9,399
Likes: 188
From: Norco,CA
Club FTE Silver Member

Plug it in over night and try in the morning. If it don't start you have other problems.
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 05:43 PM
  #104  
Crewcab Turbo's Avatar
Crewcab Turbo
Fleet Mechanic
10 Year Member
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,441
Likes: 6
From: Marseilles IL
Club FTE Silver Member

Shouldn't the tach be moving while cranking over? Sounds like a cps problem?
 
Reply
Old Mar 28, 2013 | 07:26 PM
  #105  
HKusp's Avatar
HKusp
Thread Starter
|
Lead Driver
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 7,760
Likes: 27
From: Hampton, Maryland.
Club FTE Gold Member
Finally!!! I couldn't wait. Air temp was mid 40's today and I had left the charger on for 3 hours and they were all charged up. So when I got home I cranked her over a few times and she starting smoking again. Next time she sputtered and ran a little then died. Then I cranked her over again and what seemed about 2 cylinders caught and she stayed lit. I got the iPad really quick and took a terrible video, I am sorry to say , but I am going to post it anyway so you can hear how bad she was running.

So then I let her run in stock tune for a few minutes to get heat into her. I had the doors open and they were shaking, the exhaust tip was rattling around, it looked bad but at least she was running. So I backed her into the street and switched to the 80E tune which I drive in 95% of the time anyway. I gave her a quick quarter throttle stab and she smoothed out. I drove around the neighborhood for a minute then decided to go on a little country road ride listening to her purr. I didn't even put the radio on. Just listened to the engine and puffed a little smoke when to opportunity presented itself. Man it was nice to be back in my diesel. Don't get me wrong, I am happy we kept the Expy around and she has been a big help, but nothing feels as good as my Superduty.

I have to run some errands but I will be back on a little later. Couldn't wait to let everyone know what was going on. I am cautiously optimistic that we got her figured out. We should have a definitive answer tomorrow am. Thanks to everyone who has participated in this thread. You all have no idea how your concerns and input has helped inspire me to figure this puppy out. Thank you all so much.

Short moral of the story, I think, is keep good oil in the truck. Longer one to follow.


 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:59 PM.

story-0
This Hennessey Takes the Expedition Tremor's Off-Roading Capability to the Next Level

Slideshow: The VelociRaptor Expedition gains a lift, upgraded suspension, Brembo brakes, and trail-ready equipment while retaining the stock 440-horsepower EcoBoost V6.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-12 11:01:55


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Fords at 2026 Carlisle Ford Nationals

Slideshow: Top 10 Fords at 2026 Ford Nationals

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 11:10:08


VIEW MORE
story-2
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership

Based on years of owning multiple modern Ford products.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 10:53:36


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches

SPONSORED: From muddy boots to rain-soaked cargo, these upgrades address some of the most common frustrations Ford truck owners face every day.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-06-08 18:50:34


VIEW MORE
story-4
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained

Here's everything you need to know about every Ford engine available for the 2026 model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-05 12:58:01


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Ford trucks that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 09:51:16


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: the best gifts for dads & grads

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:58


VIEW MORE
story-7
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-03 11:38:36


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE