Big time cold start issues
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a. your GP's are good
b. all GP's are connected (had an UVCH done at a dealer after it failed far from home and found out they didn't connect two of them, so I'm a bit jaded...)
Just thinking that jumping the relay won't do any good if the juice isn't getting all the way to the GP's.
9 pin connector, use the center (position 5) as the ground, ohm out the 4 at the ends of the plugs, so positions 1,2,8,9. Should all be less than 2 ohms.
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Jason, did you already ohm out the glow plugs on the exterior plug atop the VC harnesses? It's very quick (less than 2 minutes) and will verify that:
a. your GP's are good
b. all GP's are connected (had an UVCH done at a dealer after it failed far from home and found out they didn't connect two of them, so I'm a bit jaded...)
Just thinking that jumping the relay won't do any good if the juice isn't getting all the way to the GP's.
9 pin connector, use the center (position 5) as the ground, ohm out the 4 at the ends of the plugs, so positions 1,2,8,9. Should all be less than 2 ohms.
a. your GP's are good
b. all GP's are connected (had an UVCH done at a dealer after it failed far from home and found out they didn't connect two of them, so I'm a bit jaded...)
Just thinking that jumping the relay won't do any good if the juice isn't getting all the way to the GP's.
9 pin connector, use the center (position 5) as the ground, ohm out the 4 at the ends of the plugs, so positions 1,2,8,9. Should all be less than 2 ohms.
Let me make some calls to more capable people than I and we can go from there. Thanks for the procedure.
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Jason, did you already ohm out the glow plugs on the exterior plug atop the VC harnesses? It's very quick (less than 2 minutes) and will verify that:
a. your GP's are good
b. all GP's are connected (had an UVCH done at a dealer after it failed far from home and found out they didn't connect two of them, so I'm a bit jaded...)
Just thinking that jumping the relay won't do any good if the juice isn't getting all the way to the GP's.
9 pin connector, use the center (position 5) as the ground, ohm out the 4 at the ends of the plugs, so positions 1,2,8,9. Should all be less than 2 ohms.
a. your GP's are good
b. all GP's are connected (had an UVCH done at a dealer after it failed far from home and found out they didn't connect two of them, so I'm a bit jaded...)
Just thinking that jumping the relay won't do any good if the juice isn't getting all the way to the GP's.
9 pin connector, use the center (position 5) as the ground, ohm out the 4 at the ends of the plugs, so positions 1,2,8,9. Should all be less than 2 ohms.
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That can't be good. I can't really think of a scenario where the oil wouldn't quickly drain back down into the oil pan. Until we understand this better, maybe it's a good thing it won't start. Were you playing rough with your toy before you shut down last? It's possible you have a tired HPOP and the oil pressure is bleeding back through the oversized clearences. Did you have symptoms of weak acceleration before it wouldn't start? I have a gajillion questions, but mostly I'd like somebody who's had a HPOP reservoir overflow pop in.
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How can the HPOP reservoir pressurize? It has an overflow. Something about that sounds terribly wrong.
With smoke coming out the tailpipe, the injectors are at least trying to work.
Jumping the GPR selenoid, the electric has to be going somewhere. If not through the GP's then where?
With smoke coming out the tailpipe, the injectors are at least trying to work.
Jumping the GPR selenoid, the electric has to be going somewhere. If not through the GP's then where?
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I'm going to guess that the pressurized HPOP reservoir was a fluke.
Having read the thread, (but I could have missed it) Did you check all the battery connections?
Having read the thread, (but I could have missed it) Did you check all the battery connections?
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It was just a little pressure. It didn't shoot the plug off or anything it just pushed oil out once the last thread cleared the opening. As far as the terminals, yeah, they all look good, the ones to the batteries themselves look great they have a nice coating of oil, and the ground at the block looks clean.
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the only thing i can think of after reading all this is,
What type and weight of oil are you running ? Did you change brands over your last couple of oil changes ? I believe you should be running a low number of 5 or less for extreme cold weather. If you get it started again. Try changing the oil..
What type and weight of oil are you running ? Did you change brands over your last couple of oil changes ? I believe you should be running a low number of 5 or less for extreme cold weather. If you get it started again. Try changing the oil..
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Alright so far, AE hooked up KOEO (of course because the engine won't run
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Hybrid electronic cluster
B2658 wait to start warning indicator circuit open
B1318 battery voltage low
B1360 ignition run/acc circuit open
B1352 ignition key-in circuit failure
Now are these all current or are they stored and should I clear and test again?
Dad just showed up with the multimeter. We are going to attempt to ohm out the glow plugs in the meantime.
)Hybrid electronic cluster
B2658 wait to start warning indicator circuit open
B1318 battery voltage low
B1360 ignition run/acc circuit open
B1352 ignition key-in circuit failure
Now are these all current or are they stored and should I clear and test again?
Dad just showed up with the multimeter. We are going to attempt to ohm out the glow plugs in the meantime.
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There is a big-*** hole to drain the HPOP reservoir... pressure can't build there, let alone fill up to the top with the engine stopped. This is my primary neon glow-in-the-dark red flag here... with bells. Maybe a call out to MTDewX, because he's got his out right now and can see what's what.
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Glow plugs all Ohm out to less than 2 both sides. The ground pin is fluctuating though. We used the Y in front of the turbo as ground and all the GP's ohmed below 2. The ground was reading 110 ohms when grounded to the chassis.
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There is a raw braded cable (no insulation) going from the motor to the chassis... I think it's on the passenger side. You may want to fix that. After some soul-searching and a yawn, I suspect your IPR is completely wigging out... and the bad ground is a viable root cause. Set your AE to record the stuff on the list posted by cjgray1974 with help from... well... me... then let's look at what the heck is going on in there.