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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 11:35 PM
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Hey guys im looking at getting either an excursion or suburban in the 2000-2004 range with 160-200k miles. both are about the same price so its a matter of preference. I know yall are biased obviously, but what are some pros and cons of both compared to the other?
I would be getting gas for sure, ideally the V10 if i got an ex.



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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 11:51 PM
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Thanks for those specs. It is 131 cu ft VS 146 for the Ex so the Burb has 90% of the Ex's cargo space and I wonder if they included the spare tire.
I'm not disputing the #'s, BUT, in the real world (of usable space)the Burb (06) & even the (95) has a more usable interior !! I haul a ton of crap & tools ( AND a spare in the X) in all of them. The Burb has a more usable consoles (uppers & lowers) more pockets, nooks & crannys, trays, drawers, door pockets, & Cup holder thingies than the 2000 LIMITED could begin think about... I LOVE MY X for what it is used for..I'm just saying
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by EXv10
How do you like that Crown Vic? I heard you can't buy them anymore.
I sold the '99 LX and the '05 CVPI last summer. The '05 blew out a plug and had deer hitting damage to the entire passenger side. I fixed most of it (except for the plug) and sold it to a Ford mechanic for $500 who helicoiled it and resold it for $2500

Selling the '99 is something I'll always regret. It wasn't an Excursion but it was certainly the best "car" I've ever owned.

I'm still looking for a '05+ TC with the extended wheelbase version for a daily driver. Just can't find one that doesn't have 400k miles on it...
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 01:45 AM
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Suburbans IMO are worthless. I had a 2000 2500 8.1 LS Sub that loved transmissions. I bought it from the original owner with 55,000 miles on it in 2007. September 2008 at 75,000 miles while pulling #7000 I went to pass a semi, gave it a bit more throttle and It was matched with a very hard downshift and shortly after wouldn't go above 55. Limped back home and took it to a local reputable re-builder where a GM master rebuild kit was used. So thats rebuild #1, 2010 125,000 miles 50k on trans I went to pass again on the highway, nothing in the truck but me. I gave it a little more to pass the semi on a small hill and I smelled transmission fluid, lots of it. By the time I was alble to safely pull over the trans was empty. I had it towed back to the shop where it was confirmed the front pump seal had failed. By the time I shut the truck off and had it on the side of the road the transmission was very hot (100* summer day). The shop owner only charged me for labor since it was un-clear if it was not properly installed. thats rebuild 2. Fast foreward to 2011 and Usually over 3,000 miles the truck will use 2 qts of oil PO said its done that since day 1 so I left well enough alone and sure enough every 2,500 miles it would be low on oil. Well I was getting ready to change the oil one afternoon and I noticed I was a little low on coolant so I re-filled it. Over the coming weeks I just kept an eye on it and one day it took over a gallon to re-fill the system so I knew something wasn't right, checked the oil and it was almost to the top of the dipstick with a grey cloudy goo. That was the last straw for me so I wound up selling it. I didnt really have any complaints other than it drank gas like a pig and had a very weak transmission. The interior wasn't too bad but im the kinda guy that prefers manual windows and locks. I have a few friends that had issues with the 1500 suburbans as well. My excursion makes it look and feel like a toy. I felt much better about my excursion after reading about them and 200-250,000 miles is normal for a gas ford motor. I went diesel with mine but thats another story. I wonder why they stopped offering diesels in the subs after 97.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 07:42 AM
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"2000 F350 Crew Cab Long bed V10 2wd 160,000 miles "retired" with a blown motor. " !!!
Nuff said.............. That is, they all have issues..Happy New Year
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 08:34 AM
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I agree, Very well put!

Originally Posted by Forest
Let me throw some more gas on these flames.

I've owned two (2) Suburbans (2000 Yukon XL and 2001 Yukon XL Denali), and now own my 2nd Excursion after putting 180K on the first one. I burned up the 5.3 L engine in the 2000 and roasted the tranny in the 2001. Neither Yukon XL was over the quoted GCWR. Maybe my experience would have been better with a 3/4 ton with 8.1L, but I came to truly distrust GM tow specs.

I bought the Excursions so I could tow a trailer AND haul my family in comfort. They work great at that. I now really trust the 11,000 tow rating. I tow very heavy with my Excursion and get away with it.

Excursions, to be honest, are clumsy and difficult to drive around town. My wife will not drive our Excursion, even though she enjoys riding in it. She had adapted well to the Yukon XL and enjoyed driving it.

My verdict:

If you want a truck that can tow heavy and doubles as an SUV, buy an Excursion.

If you want a SUV that is comfortable to drive but that cannot tow, buy a Suburban.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 09:03 AM
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Methinks youse guys been trolled. Say the word "suburban" around here and it's blood in the water around sharks! Popcorn sales are up for the amusing frenzy.

One thing I am sure the EX has over the burb is this is a much better forum than for any other vehicle. Weird since there are probably 20 burbs on the road for every EX.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 09:09 AM
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This thread is great. Lol
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 09:32 AM
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Ok, lol. I'll be one to admit that chevies aren't all bad. We have just about as many chevies around here as fords and they do pull their weight but still I hate driving them!

They are DEFINITELY built lighter than the fords. Sure some of the chevies might have a 10" frame but for some reason the frame flexes like a wet noodle compared to fords (older trucks not the new box frames). The brakes on our 96 chev 2500 are a single piston caliper with a tiny 4" pad while the fords have twin piston 8" pad brakes up front. Brakes jobs are needed twice as often on the chevy. We had to add 4 leafs to each rear pack on the chevy truck to match the hauling height of a stock ford with the same tank and weight.

The chevy 350 gets around 10-11, the ford 351 gets around 13-14 (same tanks and weight).

The chevies steering input is delayed for some reason. When the truck starts to drift you make the steering correction and maybe 2-3 seconds after the correcting the truck may start to move in the desired direction.

Like I mentioned (and others) the chevy rolls over the bumps as if it was a water mattress. There is absolutely NO road feedback to the driver in the chevy (that could be what they are going for?) The fords you can feel everything nice a solid and steering inputs happen right now.


I believe our highest mileage chevy has around 120K on it, not many actual problems but it needs excessive maintenance.

All of our fords (besides the one we just got) have over 300K on them and very rarely need anything. If it wasn't for rust I don't think I would even have to work on a ford.


The very latest was a transfer case at 400K(ish) in our 94.5. Sounds bad but $175 later it was back on the road. I hear chevy transfer cases aren't so cheap. lol


The chevy did manage to pull the ford home with the bad case. Barely.

 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 12:24 PM
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The trans went in my tahoe at 140k. It only towed a car on a dolly once. It had 3 head gasket replacements. Two catalytic convertors. It had 3 times the wander my ex has and it had rear drum brakes which i adjusted twice a year.
My ex is easier for me to drive, more confortable, and stops a lot better and with FTE going to be a keeper.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by harley4jcs
"2000 F350 Crew Cab Long bed V10 2wd 160,000 miles "retired" with a blown motor. " !!!
Nuff said.............. That is, they all have issues..Happy New Year
More to the story than that. It was a railway service truck with 7,500 idle hours on it which is justified 1 hour is equivalent to 35 miles of driving so 35 x 7,500= 262,500 miles worth of idle time wear and tear plus the 160,000 on the truck comes out to 422,000 miles worth of wear and tear on the motor. So lets see a suburban go 400,000 very hard miles. Ford FTW. why do you think most fleets use Ford? I have to agree they all have their issues and sooner or later they are all in the scrapyard. Happy new year
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 12:56 PM
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We have went thru 2 trannys on our burb, the previous owner went through 1. It has 185000 miles on it which have been pretty good I guess, it had 127000 when we bought it almost 10 years ago. It is now leaking coolant on the exhaust side but does not run hot, you just have to top it off every week or so. Its currently in the middle of being spruced up to sell just to get it out of the yard.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kdr358
Suburbans IMO are worthless. I had a 2000 2500 8.1 LS Sub that loved transmissions. I bought it from the original owner with 55,000 miles on it in 2007. September 2008 at 75,000 miles while pulling #7000 I went to pass a semi, gave it a bit more throttle and It was matched with a very hard downshift and shortly after wouldn't go above 55. Limped back home and took it to a local reputable re-builder where a GM master rebuild kit was used. So thats rebuild #1, 2010 125,000 miles 50k on trans I went to pass again on the highway, nothing in the truck but me. I gave it a little more to pass the semi on a small hill and I smelled transmission fluid, lots of it. By the time I was alble to safely pull over the trans was empty. I had it towed back to the shop where it was confirmed the front pump seal had failed. By the time I shut the truck off and had it on the side of the road the transmission was very hot (100* summer day). The shop owner only charged me for labor since it was un-clear if it was not properly installed. thats rebuild 2. Fast foreward to 2011 and Usually over 3,000 miles the truck will use 2 qts of oil PO said its done that since day 1 so I left well enough alone and sure enough every 2,500 miles it would be low on oil. Well I was getting ready to change the oil one afternoon and I noticed I was a little low on coolant so I re-filled it. Over the coming weeks I just kept an eye on it and one day it took over a gallon to re-fill the system so I knew something wasn't right, checked the oil and it was almost to the top of the dipstick with a grey cloudy goo. That was the last straw for me so I wound up selling it. I didnt really have any complaints other than it drank gas like a pig and had a very weak transmission. The interior wasn't too bad but im the kinda guy that prefers manual windows and locks. I have a few friends that had issues with the 1500 suburbans as well. My excursion makes it look and feel like a toy. I felt much better about my excursion after reading about them and 200-250,000 miles is normal for a gas ford motor. I went diesel with mine but thats another story. I wonder why they stopped offering diesels in the subs after 97.
Passing semi's and downshifting while towing might have something to do with your trans probs..........do ya think? Also; I am glad they quit making clackers in case I ever buy one.
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 01:52 PM
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Another point (yes I am an Ex fan); the Burb has more HP in their 6.0 v-8 than my 6.8 v-10 has.

I coulda had a v-8!
 
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Old Jan 1, 2013 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EXv10
Passing semi's and downshifting while towing might have something to do with your trans probs..........do ya think? Also; I am glad they quit making clackers in case I ever buy one.
How would downshifting break a transmission? That is how they are designed to operate after all...

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Another point (yes I am an Ex fan); the Burb has more HP in their 6.0 v-8 than my 6.8 v-10 has.
Not so unless you are comparing a 12-year-old V10 with a new 6.0L V8. From 2000-2005, which were the years the Excursion was produced, the 6.0L Vortec made 300 HP.

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