Yes you can. I still suggest running it off of a pto pump and using a valve block so it's easier to control being you would need 2 valves and maybe a 3rd of you want to use a grapple. here's and example of what I'm talking about.

http://www.onsaletoolslowprice.com/w...OTL._SL75_.jpg

 

Well hmm. How much would it run me to get that and the loader? I cant bloody find one anywhere on the internet, maybe im not looking in the right places. Can you help me??

 

Well a PTO pump too, i best look into that, dont think I can run it off the hydraulics on there as is?

 

Hydraulics | Northern Tool + Equipment

 

Wow!! A PTO pump for a tractor is about 500 bucks, god I hate my life sometimes....if it aint one thing, its another.

 

on some JDs the hydraulic pump came in different sizes depends what were sold on the tractor from the factory ! my old 401 had a choice of 4 sizes of pumps that were standard , as the 401 sits now it has a backhoe and a front end loader on it and at one time it had a Gannon on it , still have the arms so the hoe could be taken of and then you can use the 3pt with what ever you choose !
you may need to upgrade the pump to a larger one so the loader will work better !

 

yeah, i might have to. But If I have to deal with the loader not being able to do as much for the time being, I will, but I gotta find a loader that matches with this tractor first!!!

 

If the pumps put out the same PSI, the loader will do the same amount of work regardless of which pump. The GPM is what changes how "useable" the loader is. With a lower GPM pump you'll find yourself stopping the tractor and revving the engine RPM up so you can get more flow to lift the arms or dump faster etc. My Ford 555 backhoe runs 28.5GPM on the hydraulics vs about 15gpm on our oliver with the loader. nearly the same PSI from each pump, but now the Oliver's loader is so slow I don't even think of using it anymore really since I got the 555. Plus I like fact that on the 555 my bucket stays at the same dump angle throughout the entire lift.

Perceived speed will also vary slightly with the hydraulic cylinder diameter as larger diameters of course require more flow. But since the oil has a larger surface area to act upon in the larger cylinder the loader with larger cylinders will have more power.

If the tractor has a hydraulic hookup, you can run the loader with the onboard hydraulics. The PTO pump was mentioned for the higher GPM rate.

I love my backhoe

Loader specs:
Breakout force (lift): 11,850 lbs [5375 kg]
Lift to full height (at pin): 5,200 lbs [2358 kg]
Bucket capacity: 1 cu yd [0.8 cu m]
Bucket width: 84 inches [213 cm]
Raise time to height: 4.7 s
Bucket dump time: 1.6 s
Lowering time: 2.6 s

 

You can use the twin spool valve posted and plug the in/out hoses into your tractor.

You'll need at least 2 remotes to run the loader. One for the boom, one for the bucket.

Swoosh, i bet our backhoe can beat up your backhoe.... (Case 580 Super M)

 

Its only been a week since you started this thread and looking for a tractor. I'd be patient and keep looking for something that already has a loader and is the right size and price for you. Something will turn up.

 

Probably can. I think you have me by about 30hp with that one, probably have front wheel assist, a few thousand pounds heavier and I think your backhoe can dig a slight bit deeper. I think the loaders are pretty equal breakout/lift though. Local farm though has a Case 580 and managed to bend the lift rams on it...twice! The thing never dies though, one of the most reliable I've seen.

However I think I paid less... $6,250 Plus the engine runs 16:1 compression and I gotta fix a leaking o-ring on the fuel pump, so I think it's begging for a turbo addition... haha

But I still love my backhoe I had the rear axles sitting in the mud this spring digging up a tree strump in a waterway to free up a buried drainage tile we never knew about (And the farm has been in the family since 1915!). My friend thought for certain I had it stuck and buried, but just lifted the rear end up out of the mud with the backhoe and worked my way out in under 5 minutes. Sitting back end down into a waterway ditch with the bucket on the ground and rear axles in the muck gets to be a pretty awkward operating angle. Started to feel like I was standing on the back of the cab haha.

 

[quote=swooshcmk;10790971]Probably can. I think you have me by about 30hp with that one, probably have front wheel assist, a few thousand pounds heavier and I think your backhoe can dig a slight bit deeper. I think the loaders are pretty equal breakout/lift though. Local farm though has a Case 580 and managed to bend the lift rams on it...twice! The thing never dies though, one of the most reliable I've seen.

However I think I paid less... $6,250 Plus the engine runs 16:1 compression and I gotta fix a leaking o-ring on the fuel pump, so I think it's begging for a turbo addition... haha


ill bet our trackhoe can beat up both your backhoes..lol

really you only need one remote to run a loader. we have our small loader tractor set up this way, we ran the pressure line to the spool valves, then you just need to run a return to the tank, we just tee'd into the fill plug for a return, works great like that

 

Most times the loader will come with a pump and the spool block, i just wanted to show you what you should look for. Loader brands you may find are Schwartz, Du-All, Koyker, Westindorf, Farmhand. So try searching for them, If you find one the right size the only thing that differs are the brackets, those you can make. But try to find one that extende\s under the rear axle so all the weight isnt carried by the bell housing.

 

Ok, well I am looking for a loader that is good quality, but not incredibly expensive. I looked at a westindorf and that was WAY expensive. What is the best inexpensive loader around?

 

Deffinatly go used. Most loaders are good quality, but they do wear. When you look at them pull out the pins and check them for wear as well as the bushings inside. We have a schwatrz 2070 that managed to rip the arm pins out while full raised. Pulled the pins and they were half wore through, we cut the ends off the arms and set thinck plate steel inside them and secured them with plug welds to the frame, stronger then factory so it should last another 25years.
It says its too much for a 2010 but cut the bucket down and take the grapple off
Loader with Grapple
Plenty high but still. . .
Dual Loader
You can also look for tractors with loaders, most guys will separate.