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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 05:24 AM
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Ugh, as much as I hate to agree with Dan try searching back a few months and you will see this was hammered beyond recognition. For every POS dieshole you post up, there is 5 bb motors doing the same or better for so much more less $$. If you want to suckle the black smoke pipe, go to that forum. This forum is about play rigs and "how big of an xTrEmE badazz at can I fit on my stock truck" questions
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FordManMT
Simmer,

I would like to see a gas engine do this:............................................. ..............................

You can talk shyt about diesels all you want, but they have a good place in off roading

I have seen gassers do that.

Sane stuff used to get a diesel to do that, is applied to a gasser, the difference, is , on a gasser you have to seal up a distributor.


There is a guy somewhere around here that was telling us about "creeking" he would drive around with the whole (gas)motor under the water.









And yes Paul, I'm sure with the right engine n tire combo that deuce would have done way better, but 99% of the people that build then use military tires and keep the stock motor. And we all know the military tires are not the best choice for wheeling.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fatdan460
offroad forum. deezles are suck for wheeling for the most part.
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it is obvious you have never been wheeling in a diesel truck.

in 22 years, i got stuck once.
and that was because i knocked the transfer case out of 4 wheel with my leg on a downhill twist just before a mud pit.
after they pulled me out, i made the loop again, and went rite through the same tire tracks in the mud 20 minutes later.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by fatdan460
basically what i'm saying is stfu about diesels. there is a section dedicated to them and it ain't this one. diesels have their place, and it is in front of a trailer doing work or making its owner money, they aren't play engines. we just went through this b/s with joef350 going on about idi diesels like they are the greatest, we don't need to go through it again with powerstrokes.
either way, try to keep the diesel talk to those forums, we don't need to add anymore dumb shyte here to argue over, and none of us have a magic money waterfall to make a diesel rev and perform similar to a cheap semi-built big block. dead serious. show me a diesel that will hold 6k rpm all day in the thick stuff and doesn't cost more than most members houses to build and i'll cork it, but until then diesels are work motors and in here we talk about play motors.

this is the offroad and 4X4forum. it says nothing about offroad GAS forum.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 08:10 AM
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Tom, a lot of a vehicles success off road is the driver.

I think a diesel has its place on the trail, but it isn't for every rig, or driver.

I was going to see how one would do in a wheeler, untell the motor went boom before I got it. We are still getting the pickup this weekend tho, but the motor is going to the scrap yard. I guess I'll run my M motor for a wile yet. Still will prob redo the 460 I have in the parts shed. Dan is right, I would prob over rev a diesel anyways...
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fatdan460
basically what i'm saying is stfu about diesels. there is a section dedicated to them and it ain't this one. diesels have their place, and it is in front of a trailer doing work or making its owner money, they aren't play engines. we just went through this b/s with joef350 going on about idi diesels like they are the greatest, we don't need to go through it again with powerstrokes.
either way, try to keep the diesel talk to those forums, we don't need to add anymore dumb shyte here to argue over, and none of us have a magic money waterfall to make a diesel rev and perform similar to a cheap semi-built big block. dead serious. show me a diesel that will hold 6k rpm all day in the thick stuff and doesn't cost more than most members houses to build and i'll cork it, but until then diesels are work motors and in here we talk about play motors.


i dint say the idi i was talking about diesel in gernral u moron so stfu i said they dont suck off road like u calm
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hav24wheel
Tom, a lot of a vehicles success off road is the driver.

I think a diesel has its place on the trail, but it isn't for every rig, or driver.

I was going to see how one would do in a wheeler, untell the motor went boom before I got it. We are still getting the pickup this weekend tho, but the motor is going to the scrap yard. I guess I'll run my M motor for a wile yet. Still will prob redo the 460 I have in the parts shed. Dan is right, I would prob over rev a diesel anyways...

the only problem with that Dave, is that you can only over rev a diesel if you bypass the rev limiter, or if the rev limiter is broke and you don't fix it. and then, if you blow it up it is your own fault.

at 125kmiles, the rev limiter in my 88 died. there was absolutely nothing else wrong with the injector pump besides the fact that it would rev over 3300 rpm.

i changed it anyway, because of the off chance that i did not pay attention to the rpm's while reving it. i can't afford a $5 grand engine replacement, so a $300 injector pump was a no brainer.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 09:22 AM
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But. Tom, I'd prob screw with the injector pump, and than blow it up. Lol. The rev limiter on my 351M is the valves floating.... So, I guess if that says anything about how I run my wheeler

Alas, the ol' 7.3 did blow up, idk what when wrog yet, but sounds like a rod failed n popped a hole in the block. It still runs, sortof. Just enough power to move the pickup on flat ground.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 10:57 AM
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tom what i'm getting at is diesels are fine for some people, i guess, whatever, but since you came in here as a mod some of your buddies came with, which is cool, new people keeps it from getting too stale in here. but look at what happened with joe, he starts bragging up idi's and diesels altogether and it turned into a chitstorm of gas v.s. diesel, it's gonna happen every time someone starts talking diesel in here, keep that **** for the powerstroke v.s. v10 v.s. 460 v.s. idi threads up in the diesel forums, because as you've seen up there the threads go on and on and neither side will ever change their opinion of their preferred motor.

and all i'm gonna say about offroading is i've never been trailriding or bogging and thought to myself, hell, i wish i only had a powerband of idle to 3300rpm. yeah, you can work with that, but it's like using tin snips as a can opener, not the right tool for the job. big tires require big power and deep gears to get them motivated, and once you get that happening you need a powerband that can handle the deep gears without running out of rpm when you need it. i just don't see the tiny rpm capabilities of a stockish diesel keeping up with any real offroading. buy all means sink a fortune in one and kill its longevity if you want to get more rpm out of it, it's your money not mine.

i now await rebuttals of "big torque from idle' blah blah blah crap, to which i respond a stock 460 makes peak torque at what? like 2600rpm? pretty sweet spot for a trail rig to have power and still have more than half it's rpm left to use if need be.

just sayin'
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 11:35 AM
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i never branged them up i just said them not horrible like u said learn to read
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 11:38 AM
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learn to type legibly and maybe i'll ****ing understand you!!!!!

p.s. diesels are still work motors, not play motors XxxooO
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 12:17 PM
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Joe was just bustin your knutts.
ya see, some of us don't have the ability to have drivers AND toys, so we have to do with what we got. i needed a diesel to haul machinery around. a 460 would never have survived what i put the 88 through.
but i also did not have the extra cash to waste on a toy, so i made due with what i had. and found out along the way that the 7.3 with a turbo will do damn near everything a gas engined truck will do, just do it slower.

as Dave said, it's not the engine, it's the driver.

and lets not even get started with the 7.3 verses 460 verses V10 verses powerstroke crap. those guys are knutts, and have nothing better to do than start arguments with each other.



































oh, and by the way, my IDI diesel with 500,000 miles on it will pee all over your 460.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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But. Tom, I'd prob screw with the injector pump, and than blow it up. Lol. The rev limiter on my 351M is the valves floating.... So, I guess if that says anything about how I run my wheeler

Alas, the ol' 7.3 did blow up, idk what when wrog yet, but sounds like a rod failed n popped a hole in the block. It still runs, sortof. Just enough power to move the pickup on flat ground.
epoxy a plate over the window, stuff a junkyard rod, cap and piston it it, and it will run for another 100,000 miles.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 12:28 PM
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It only had 300,000 on it
 
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Old Mar 2, 2011 | 12:33 PM
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that thing was just barely broke in!!
 
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