Please Help Me Set My Timing.
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From: Sand Lake, MI
180 off the mark, still a little concern you're not getting #1 up right. I know I know you're sure you are but everything you state tends to suggests maybe your not?
If so so be it but its only a minute or two to be sure.
How fast are you spinning the motor with the starter to blow your finger off the plug hole? If "spinning" it at all your rotating it to fast and might be over shooting the compression stroke.
Need to just jog the motor the smallest amount at a time, just touch the key for a split second to jog the motor just a hair at a time. Doesn't take much at all, doesn't have to spin fast to find and mark the compression stroke.
Key in mind both valves would be closed for the compression stroke and the end of the exhaust stroke following it.
The odds the mark would end up 180 out on a slipped balancer is gotta be so very slim.
If so so be it but its only a minute or two to be sure.
How fast are you spinning the motor with the starter to blow your finger off the plug hole? If "spinning" it at all your rotating it to fast and might be over shooting the compression stroke.
Need to just jog the motor the smallest amount at a time, just touch the key for a split second to jog the motor just a hair at a time. Doesn't take much at all, doesn't have to spin fast to find and mark the compression stroke.
Key in mind both valves would be closed for the compression stroke and the end of the exhaust stroke following it.
The odds the mark would end up 180 out on a slipped balancer is gotta be so very slim.
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From: Sand Lake, MI
Looks like the body of the distributor should sit in place with the right side cap clip slightly rotated forward of exact 90degs to the right, number one plug wire just in front of that clip.
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I would turn it over by hand with a ratchet , you will never get it on TDC with the starter , even turning it slow you will feel the pressure coming out of the plug hole when your bringing the piston up on the comp stroke...If its 180 out then you were not on the comp stroke...but still the balencer should be at TDC even if your 180 off...Lew
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I've turned it over by hand the entire time. I watch the valves through the oil cap, and it's so bright out here I can watch the piston rise through the spark plug hole. It's at TDC, and the mark is 180 off, don't know how it is don't care, but it is. I use a long 3/8s, extension to double check.
I'm thinking I fouled my plugs. She wants to start everytime, and will start randomly, but will not stay running. I've got new fuel pumps and plenty of gas, so all day these last few days I been trying to crank her up. But didn't have spark so was dumping fuel in the chambers. Number 1 was wet at one point.
I'm thinking I fouled my plugs. She wants to start everytime, and will start randomly, but will not stay running. I've got new fuel pumps and plenty of gas, so all day these last few days I been trying to crank her up. But didn't have spark so was dumping fuel in the chambers. Number 1 was wet at one point.
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I've turned it over by hand the entire time. I watch the valves through the oil cap, and it's so bright out here I can watch the piston rise through the spark plug hole. It's at TDC, and the mark is 180 off, don't know how it is don't care, but it is. I use a long 3/8s, extension to double check.
Ok that's fine, if you're sure you're sure, you need to replace the balancer.
Even at that you should be able to get it to start and run, as far as the plugs fuel soaked fouled, yea they could be to the point of no fire. If it tries to start then not so much, it wouldn't fire/start at all.
Sounds like you might have a secondary condition causing you problems, hard to say yet, I'd start by replacing that harmonic balance wheel. Get one from the bone yard.
Ok that's fine, if you're sure you're sure, you need to replace the balancer.
Even at that you should be able to get it to start and run, as far as the plugs fuel soaked fouled, yea they could be to the point of no fire. If it tries to start then not so much, it wouldn't fire/start at all.
Sounds like you might have a secondary condition causing you problems, hard to say yet, I'd start by replacing that harmonic balance wheel. Get one from the bone yard.
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I turn the motor by hand after that to find exact TDC.
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If the #1 piston is at the top & the ballencer mark TDC is not at the timing pointer but on the otherside you have a balencer problem , pull the balencer & find out what the problem is , the only thing else that would cause this is your not on # 1 or the crank broke...
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Ok thats what i do , as soon as i see the marks coming up the i turn it by hand , i thought you were good enough to get it to stop at TDC with the starter LOL....
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As far as replacing the balancer, I've got to get home to do that. I'm 5 hours away from home. This is what I have to drive back home haha. I have till the end of the week to get it to stay running and get it home, THEN I can go to Pick-N-Pull and snag a a balancer.
Fire Triangle.
-Air <Check>
-Fuel (2 brand new tanks, 2 new low pressure pumps, 1 new high pressure pump. 1 new fuel filter, 1 new fuel pressure regulator) <check>
-Spark (Using my old coil, has more resistance than two new ones they tried to give me. New remand distributor with module attached already. Cap and Rotor were put on in March. Spark plugs and wires installed in March but for the last 3 days I been trying to start this thing with no spark because of my fault or defective parts).
I can only look at the spark plugs as being toast now, which is partly my fault for sure. The truck is now to the point where you can hear it try to start, but won't run. Spark is weak. Which points to coil or plugs, I'm gonna go with plugs.
I WILL replace the balancer, I just can't yet.
Fire Triangle.
-Air <Check>
-Fuel (2 brand new tanks, 2 new low pressure pumps, 1 new high pressure pump. 1 new fuel filter, 1 new fuel pressure regulator) <check>
-Spark (Using my old coil, has more resistance than two new ones they tried to give me. New remand distributor with module attached already. Cap and Rotor were put on in March. Spark plugs and wires installed in March but for the last 3 days I been trying to start this thing with no spark because of my fault or defective parts).
I can only look at the spark plugs as being toast now, which is partly my fault for sure. The truck is now to the point where you can hear it try to start, but won't run. Spark is weak. Which points to coil or plugs, I'm gonna go with plugs.
I WILL replace the balancer, I just can't yet.
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From: Long Beach, Calimexiforia
I've turned it over by hand the entire time. I watch the valves through the oil cap, and it's so bright out here I can watch the piston rise through the spark plug hole. It's at TDC, and the mark is 180 off, don't know how it is don't care, but it is. I use a long 3/8s, extension to double check.
I'm thinking I fouled my plugs. She wants to start everytime, and will start randomly, but will not stay running. I've got new fuel pumps and plenty of gas, so all day these last few days I been trying to crank her up. But didn't have spark so was dumping fuel in the chambers. Number 1 was wet at one point.
I'm thinking I fouled my plugs. She wants to start everytime, and will start randomly, but will not stay running. I've got new fuel pumps and plenty of gas, so all day these last few days I been trying to crank her up. But didn't have spark so was dumping fuel in the chambers. Number 1 was wet at one point.
But, I gotta say, there's nothing sadder than an engine trying to start 180 out.
I've read that the plug fires twice per cycle, once on the comp. & once on the Exh. Normally this creates absolutely no issues. Except 180 out!
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I've read that the plug fires twice per cycle, once on the comp. & once on the Exh. Normally this creates absolutely no issues. Except 180 out!
These trucks aren't like that, that's on the Explorers for example, motors with the direct or distributor less ignitions systems "waste spark".
These trucks aren't like that, that's on the Explorers for example, motors with the direct or distributor less ignitions systems "waste spark".