I edited this post as it was close to a personal attack and named a party that wished to remain anonymous.

Dave S

 

i never really understood the need for a moose pump when the factory pump is capable of over fueling the motor

 

This is true but some people dont understand that... Just get the word out so he stops robbing good people a 2 to three hundred dollar savings he is done

 

can somebody tell me what the differance in the ''moose pump''?

 

it puts out more fuel that is about it

 

I do think there is some improvements to be made, however I have had a problem with just saying a pump is better or injectors are better in a generic sense. I do feel if someone that knows and understands how to time and match these pumps with the injectors, and it all needs to be setup with the way your motor is setup, inother words turbo or na shaved pistons or stock. I honestly belive if everything was dialed in together it would make a big difference in performance and mileage.

 

Pass it along The builder is a nice guy named Joel He is the secret moose pump brains Time to work for your money MEL[/quote]

I agree that Joel is a nice guy and does awesome work, but You really don't have any idea what you are doing do you Richie? Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this post but here are some of the facts:

Joel will not sell any performance pump unless it goes through Mel, If you call for a Moose Pump he will tell you to call Mel.

His shop will not ship and receive pumps, there shop is a drop off and pick up shop.

Mel charges $75.00 over the actual cost of a rebuilt Moose Pump. That covers the cost of him receiving the pump, dropping it off to get rebuilt, picking it up when it is done and shipping back out to the customer. To me and anyone else with a bit of common sense,..that is not robbing.

Mel has worked extensively over the last couple of years with Joel to develop a quality high performance IDI pump that was not available before and has a lot of his own money and time invested into this venture.

He is one of the most respected guys in the IDI community and currently owns 6 IDI diesels (including the 83 that he bought brand new) and is a personal friend of mine so for you to come on here and accuse him of ripping people off and undermining his help to all of the IDI guys shows your lack of character and knowledge of the situation.

So Richie I am not sure what beef you have with Mel, but grow the hell up and find another cause because this one is going nowhere.

 

Richie-
I don't know what you have against Mel, but if this is how you plan on gaining friends, it's not working. Let's back down and relax and chalk it up to having a really bad day.

 

WTF is Mel? WTF is Joel? WTF is a Moose Pump and who's running one?

 

not sure what the intentions of this thread is.it seems like someone is trying to cut out the middle man if im understanding correctly.
not going to go over to well im sure lol.

anyway,for those interested i found some info on the moose pump:



from:
Moose Pump pictures from cars photos on webshots

that was posted in 07.so i dunno what prices would be now.
it doesn't really say what the pump is setup to provide over stock form tho?
we all know,there's no power to be found in "rolling coal" so lets hope there's actually some sort of performance gains,other just being able to turn up the fuel more.otherwise its pointless as stock will do that even to a turbo engine.
maybe its just for those people who want more smoke and show rather than actual performance gains? don't see much about it here.no facts or proof of anything accomplished.
perhaps someone in the know,can enlighten us to its advantages over stock.hopefully with proof of gains and facts of hp/trq #'s.

 

I was only on oil burners once and the moose pump was just getting started. all I could gather was it is supposed to be better than any other pump but why was going to be kept a secret, It isn't like we all have pump benches and are capable of doing anything internally. But before I plop down the extra bucks I won't to know why, so I never gave them any more thought. I think David 85 sent his in so maybe we will get a good report from him.

 

Oil burners.net is basically the unofficial sister forum to this one. Lots of us frequent both of them and both combined are by far the best IDI resource on the web.

"Mel" is the administrator of OBN and also an IDI enthusiast. He works with an injector pump shop to build a high performance rebuild of the DB2 injector pump used on our IDI engines.

The type of rebuild that is done to my understanding involves reboring the plunger bores to accept larger fuel pumping plungers (there is more to it then that!!!! but simply put, thats the upgrade). This naturally increases the fuel flow capacity, but more importantly IMO, it means that you have factory spec precision in the plungers themselves because the bore is new, as are the plungers. Something that often goes unsaid when it comes to rebuilding these pumps is that much like rebuilt injectors, you don't often get a thoroughly rebuilt product. IDIs are not tempermental engines and will run well enough even with a sloppy overhaul of the fuel system. That is - until you start tracking your MPGs.

In other words, not all rebuilds are built to factory clearances and still leak a lot of fuel past imperfect parts that are not properly restored. So far Mel has sold several of these pumps to members on OBN and have heard nothing but praise. This, combined with the more thorough rebuilding is why I opted to use his pump instead of a cheap pensacola pump (yes, his does cost more then that). Since I have a turbo engine, I figured why not go for more fuel.

The "moose pump" as its called, is not intended for naturally aspirated engines or even factory turbo IDIs. Instead its meant for high performance builds that have a free flowing aftermarket turbo, dropped compression, and ideally, an intercooler. My old pump would simply run out of fuel with my mild build up and the fuel screw turned up. For non turbo IDIs, there is also a stock spec pump available, but again, don't expect it to be as cheap as a surplus reman that you find on Ebay. Likewise, don't expect the Ebay pump to last as well as what mel offers.

I'm not going to post what I paid for my pump, but I will say that I was not robbed and so far am very happy with it. I will also add that I would never expect some one in mel's position to work for free.

 

Towcat, welcome to the forum. Wish it could be under better circumstances.

 

Just curious david did you get a set of injectors matched to your pump specs at the same time,or you running the ones you had.

Have you run it enough to notice any mileage difference yet.

 

When it comes to injectors, I want to make my own pop tester and tinker with them myself (for fun more than anything else). I have an old set of Delphi squirters that I can play with when I have the time. For now I am still running the same set as before the pump rebuild.

Mileage is too soon to tell. I've only taken the truck on one longer trip so far through a rainstorm and I didn't hold back. I have not refueld since then to know any MPG numbers but I am also still dailing in the timing so it will take time to tell if there is a real improvement in light throttle MPGs.